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12-18-1972 MinutesCity of Salina, Kansas Commissioners' Meeting December 18, 1972 The Regular Meeting of the Board of Commissioners met in the Commissioners' Room, City -County Building, on Monday, December 18, 1972, at four o'clock p.m. The Mayor asked everyone to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag and a Moment of Silent Prayer. There were present: Mayor Jack Weisgerber, Chairman presiding Commissioner Leon L. Ashton Commissioner Robert C. Caldwell Commissioner Norma G. Cooper Commissioner Mike Losik, Jr. comprising a quorum of the Board, also: L. 0. Bengtson, City Attorney Norris D. Olson, City Manager D. L. Harrison, City Clerk The Minutes of the Regular Meeting of December 11, 1972, were approved as mailed. STAFF AGENDA AN ORDINANCE was introduced for second reading entitled: "AN ORDINANCE appropriating money from the various funds to pay payrolls and claims against the City of Salina, Saline County, Kansas, for the calendar year of 1973, as provided in Kansas Statutes Annotated 13-2601." A motion was made by Commissioner Ashton, seconded by Commissioner Cooper to adopt the ordinance as read and the following vote was had: Ayes: Ashton, Caldwell, Cooper, Losik, Weisgerber (5). Nays: (0). Carried. The Mayor approved the ordinance and it is numbered 8268. The ordinance was introduced for first reading December 11, 1972, AN ORDINANCE was introduced for second reading entitled: "AN ORDINANCE repealing Ordinance Number 8257 pertaining to the issuanee of Javelin Corporation Industrial Revenue Bonds." A motion was made by Commissioner Cooper, seconded by Commissioner Ashton to adopt the ordinance as read and the following vote was had: Ayes: Ashton, Caldwell, Cooper, Losik, Weisgerber (5). Nays:(0). Carried. The Mayor approved the ordinance and it is numbered 8269. The ordinance was introduced for first reading December 11, 1972. AN ORDINANCE was introduced for second reading entitled: "AN ORDINANCE authorizing the City of Salina, Kansas, to acquire the real property hereinafter described and to construct and purchase buildings, improvements, machinery and equipment to be leased to Javelin Corporation, authorizing and directing the issuance of $440,000 principal amount of Industrial Revenue Bonds, Series October 1, 1972, of said City for the purpose of providing funds to pay the cost of acquiring the real property hereinafter described and to construct and purchase buildings, improvements, machinery and equipment to be leased to Javelin Corporation, prescribing the form and authorizing the execution of a lease by and between said City and said company." A motion was made by Commissioner Ashton, seconded by Commissioner Losik to adopt the ordinance as read and the following vote was had: Ayes: Ashton, Caldwell, Cooper, Losik, Weisgerber (5). Nays: (0). Carried. The Mayor approved the ordinance and it is numbered 8270. The ordinance was introduced for first reading December 11, 1972. THE COMMISSIONERS considered an offer from Piper, Jaffray, and Hopwood, Minneapolis, Minnesota, to purchase $440,000 Industrial Revenue Bonds, secured by a lease with Javelin Corporation. A motion was made by Commissioner Cooper, seconded by Commissioner Ashton to accept the offer from Piper, Jaffray and Hopwood, Minneapolis, Minnesota to purchase $440,000 Industrial Revenue Bonds. Ayes: (5). Nays: (0). Motion carried. AN ORDINANCE was introduced for second reading entitled: "AN ORDINANCE establishing the rate of fares for taxicabs operating within the City of Salina, Kansas, amending Section 34-68 of The Salina Code and repealing the existing section." A motion was made by Commissioner Caldwell, seconded by Commissioner Ashton to adopt the ordinance as read. Commissioner Cooper said before the roll call, she would like to say one thing: "Since I am one of the Commissioners that does not agree to the rate increase, I don't know what else I can add to what I have already said, but I feel I should try and say something. I don't believe a rate increase, based on the information we have, is doing a service to the company or to the customer, and under those circumstances, the Commission would probably, or I as a Commissioner feel like it would be better if I wasn't in the rate setting business, and this is the reason, basically, that I do not agree to the increase." The following vote was received on the motion to adopt the ordinance. Ayes: Ashton, Caldwell, Weisgerber (3). Nays: Cooper, Losik (2). Carried. The Mayor approved the ordinance and it is numbered 8271. The ordinance was introduced for first reading December 11, 1972. THE COMMISSIONERS considered a Maintenance Agreement with the State Highway Commission, which provides it would maintain the portions of 1-35-W and 1-70 within the City Limits. The City Manager explained this is for the maintenance of the interchanges, and 81 Highway north of 1-70, and is in keeping with what they advised us of last summer, and would be effective January 1, 1973. A motion was made by Commissioner Ashton, seconded by Commissioner Losik to accept the Maintenance Agreement and authorize the Mayor to sign. Ayes: (5). Nays: (0). Motion carried. A RESOLUTION was introduced and passed entitled: "AN ORDINANCE establishing a separate trust fund to be known as "Federal Revenue Sharing Trust Fund." A motion was made by Commissioner Caldwell, seconded by Commissioner Ashton to adopt the Resolution as read. Commissioner Ashton asked if they wanted to designate a length of time the money would be invested in Certificates of Deposit? He said it could be set up for 90 days, and then if there are no projects payable at that time, it could be renewed again for a certain length of time. Commissioner Ashton asked the City Clerk if there is a difference in the interest rate for 90 day Certificate of Deposit and 6 month Certificate of Deposit. Mr. Harrison replied, the interest for a 90 day Certificate of Deposit is 4%, and for 6 months it might be a little more. Commissioner Ashton suggested one-half be in Certificate of Deposit for 6 months and one-half for a three month period; so at the end of the three month period, any obligations could be paid, but if there weren't any, it could be reinvested. Mayor Weisgerber remarked he wished it could be done on a 90 day basis. "I sort of hate to tie it up for six months, because things might come along more quickly than that." Commissioner Losik remarked,'"I think we should put it on a 6 month Certificate of Deposit." Commissioner Cooper commented, if it were put into a 6 month deposit, then at the end of three months we decide we need $75,000 for something, we wouldn't have to withdraw the entire amount, and the interest would only be effected on that part of it. The City Attorney explained that there is no obligation on the bank whatsoever to redeem the Certificate of Deposit until the due date. He said the banks may loan you some money on this, but technically they cannot pay, or you cannot cash it until the end of that period. Commissioner Caldwell included in his motion that it be on a 90 day basis, and the motion was seconded by Commissioner Ashton. Ayes: Ashton, Caldwell, Cooper, Weisgerber (4). Nays: Losik (1). Carried. The Mayor approved the Resolution and it is numbered 3134. THE CITY ENGINEER filed Final Estimate for Engineering Project 72-548 for Salina Police Administration Building revisions, for Johnson Builders, Inc., in the amount of $4,590.00. A motion was made by Commissioner Losik, seconded by Commissioner Caldwell to approve the final estimate. Ayes: (5). Nays: (0). Motion carried. A RESOLUTION was introduced and passed entitled: "A RESOLUTION making application to become a participating employer in the Kansas Police and Firemen's Retirement System, a Division of the Kansas Public Employees Retirement System, and designating the Director of Personnel as the agent for the City." Commissioner Ashton asked for clarification. of the participating part of the Resolution and asked if it meant for employees who are presently employed, or for future employees? The City Attorney replied, "This resolution is only for new employees. You will make a decision on the present employees after you receive the actuary study. This Resolution includes any new employee who becomes a member after January 1st; he is automatically placed under the pension fund." Mayor Weisgerber suggested, after the actuary study is received, the Commission may decide to use some of the revenue sharing money to try to get them in that pension fund. Commissioner Losik said last week, when the actuary study was ordered, the source of the funds was not identified. Commissioner Ashton replied that he meant to incorporate it in his motion last week, but neglected to do so, that the Contingencies Fund would be where it would be paid. A motion was made by Commissioner Ashton, seconded by Commissioner Losik to adopt the Resolution as read and the following vote was had: Ayes: Ashton, Caldwell, Cooper, Losik, Weisgerber (5). Nays: (.0). Carried. The Mayor approved the Resolution and it is numbered 3135. CEREAL MALT BEVERAGE LICENSE APPLICATIONS were filed for 1973: The City Clerk reported there are 80 renewal applications and 9 new applications; and all have paid the required fee, and all have been approved by the Zoning Officer, Health Department, and the Police Department. Commissioner Losik asked how many applications are still outstanding? The City Clerk reported there are 3 or 4 who say they are not going to be in business next year. Commissioner Cooper asked if they filled out the forms which were drawn up by the City last year? She was told yes. A motion was made by Commissioner Ashton, seconded by Commissioner Losik to approve the 1973 Cereal Malt Beverage license applications, as listed, and authorize the City Clerk to issue the licenses. Ayes: (5). Nays: (0). Motion carried. COMMISSION AGENDA "RECONSIDERATION OF MOBILE HOME CRAFTSMEN AND APPRENTICE LICENSING ORDINANCE." (Sponsored by Commissioner Cooper) Commissioner Cooper said, "This item was accepted earlier by this Commission and we felt like we needed more time for review on it. It is my understanding that this ordinance applies to the connection of utilities, routine maintenance, and repair of mobile homes and makes provisions of craftsmen licensing and inspection by the City. It has the endorsement of the people in the trade and the Building Code Advisory Board, that we pass this ordinance. When it was tabled I think we wanted a little more time for some kind of response from people within the community; however, I don't know about the rest of the Commission, but I didn't hear anything from anyone, so I have a feeling that until we place it on first reading we very likely may not hear anything, and I feel like, under the circumstances, in what this ordinance covers that it should be placed on first reading today, if it is agreeable." Mr. Jim Morrow said, "I am back again. I would like to comment on this in that I would like to insert the word 'if'. If this requires an amendment to the existing electrical code, then I would hope you would give consideration to whatever you are trying to accomplish on behalf of the Electrical Code Panel; because I cannot help but believe that this panel was set up for this purpose of having a look at whatever changes should be made within the existing code and then submit it to you with a recommendation. You have on this Code Panel an Engineer, a lawyer, two electrical contractors and a journeyman, and they are all familiar with this code. They have the duties of helping to settle grievances, hardships, or amendments, so what I am saying is if what you are trying to accomplish requires an amendment to the electrical code, then you give consideration, if you will, to the attitude of this Code Panel. One other comment I would like to make is, two weeks ago a gentleman made the statement that he was denied the opportunity to wire an air conditioner in a trailer park. As I read the ordinance, I find under the apprenticeship section of the Code that exists, that under ordinary circumstances an apprentice would work under the jurisdiction of a journeyman wireman; however there is a provision that says that if he will acquire written permission from the examining board, and this is another group of people who determine the qualifications of the electrical and mechanical, that if you receive written permission from them, then you can pursue this work. So I see no hardship on anyone here, if consideration is given to the electrical code as it now stands. Thank you." Commissioner Cooper asked Mr. Morrow if he has a copy of this proposed ordinance. Mr. Morrow replied that he does not, so she gave him a copy. i Commissioner Cooper commented that she went over this thing, and it is an ordinance for mobile home craftsmen and apprentice licensing. She said she can't find any- thing in it that would be in conflict with anyone else. The City Attorney explained that this would require adding a new section to the Code, and would also require amending the electrical section of the code for the reason that the present electrical code says it shall be unlawful for any person to engage in the business of repairing electric wiring, and so on, without first obtaining a license from the City and of course licensing requirements are that you pass the electrical exam. I haven't delved into it at this point, but I would think we would have to amend that section to provide it shall be unlawful for any person to engage in the business of electrical wiring and so forth, except in a mobile home where it could be done by a mobile home craftsman. We almost have to exclude him, because right now, this will be electrical work, but the craftsman will be allowed to do it in a mobile home." Commissioner Cooper asked if he would be required to pass an examination. The City Attorney replied, that is correct. He also explained that the plumbing code would have to be amended in the same manner, Mr. Morrow commented, "Here again, I think we are overlooking what my comments are. The fact that you have established a code panel and given these people the duty to help solve the changes that need to be made before they are brought to you with a recommendation. This is what I am saying, this is in the code now, and I feel if this were given to them through the City Electrical Inspector, and it is stipulated that this is his duty, to let these people that you have designated, to make and give their opinion on this and they you can see the information, and according to the code that exists, you must pass your judgement on. This is all I am asking." Commissioner Cooper said, "I thought we had this input from the Building Code Advisory Board." Mr. Morrow replied, "You do have the different board, this is true and there has been possibly no meeting between the two boards. You have an area here, of people you have designated as a Code Advisory Panel to give you advice on changes that should be made, and on the other hand you have, in my opinion, a committee that is designated as a Code Panel that is a permanent part of this City Code. I have seen them by-passed several times.' I do not understand why, but it has happened." Commissioner Losik said, "Mr. Morrow, I think you will recall here quite some time back we went through this same type of situation where there was obviously or for some apparent reason, or whatever the case, the lack of coordination between the boards. I took a very firm stand on that stating that these things must -be coordinated through the boards we have established to come up with this. Now, whether this has been done or not in this case, I don't know, but on the other hand, I can feel that the only way we can get any action on this and not just let the thing drag and drag and -drag is to put this thing on first reading, and then it is going to mean that everybody concerned is going to get their heat up and they are going to do something about it and coordinate it, and it will come back to us, and prior to second reading we will have all this back, and this is going to get' something resolved. Otherwise this thing will just drag on and on. If it hasn't been coordinated, this will force it to do this, and if it has, then this will just reconfirm it." Mr. Morrow commented, "But somewhere within the administration this should have been coordinated." Mayor Weisgerber called for a vote on the motion to introduce the ordinance for first reading. Ayes: (5). Nays: (0). Motion carried. Ordinance Passed: �Q �,� , , i5 1975 Number: U12 - "DISCUSS 1Z -"DISCUSS PROPOSAL FROM KSAL AND KINA". (Sponsored by Commissioner Losik) Commissioner Losik said, "We have a letter dated December 2nd from KSAL and one dated December 1st from KINA; they both are asking for the same thing. With the end of the year coming up there are a lot of these kinds of things if we don't get them done they are not going to get done, and before I make a motion to approve this I would like to take and hear any comments from the floor, because if I make the motion, then of course that will eliminate that, so I prefer to hear the comments from the floor." Mr. George Teel, from KSAL said, "I am not sure we have anything to add, we would just like to reinforce. You have allowed us to come in here, which we appreciate, with microphones, what we want to do is tap into your amplifier system so whatever you have to say, instead of standing back here and sounding like you are coming out of a well, it will come across much clearer. All we want is clarity, and also the spontaneity of your conversation. I guess those are the two key words, clarity and spontaneity. We can get it from this distance. It doesn't sound too good and we hesitate using it on the air. That is all I have to say." ')74 Mr. Charlie Harrigan, from KINA said, "I might add that in keeping with what Mr. Teel said that we also believe you Commissioners, as public officials too, in trying to keep the spontaneity and clarity of our interviews want what is said in the Commission meeting clear, and with the understanding of the public we think that as public officials you are spokesmen for them that this should be considered, because it is the right of the public to hear these things which you discuss at Commission meeting and we feel it is imperative that we be able to give our listeners the dope as it comes from the meeting. If they were here they would hear the same thing, if they were setting in the audience, so it really isn't much different, but we do think clarity is important and that the public needs to be informed." Mr. Sherwood Parks said, "If you have any objections, we would kind of like to hear them and maybe we could address ourselves to them." Mayor Weisgerber replied, "Yes, I think there are." Mr. Parks asked to hear the objections, so they could reply to them. Mayor Weisgerber said, "I have tried to consolidate some of the thinking on this. I wrote this down, so let me just read this to you, you are welcome to copies of it, and then we will see how you may may not agree." "I speak in opposition to tapping into our loud speaker system based on the fact that it is the primary obligation of the City Commission to bring to the City of Salina the best possible government, and the obligation of the news media is to communicate our actions to the public as accurately as possible. I divide my remarks into three parts: First will deal with the public, second with the total commission and third with my own personal feeling on this suggestion. "So far as the public is concerned - in my opinion the most volume of news is communicated best through radio or TV, when the announcer himself capsules the news. If a personal touch is desired, then by far the best method is a personal interview with the person or persons involved in the action. The method of presenting the news that leaves me with a feeling of incompleteness and inaccuracy is a short excerpt taken out of context of a speech or debate. At the best it is difficult and practically impossible to take a couple of hours of City Commission meeting and present it within a very few minutes of time it is possible to allocate on the air. At the worst, an airing of someone's statement out of the context of several minutes speaking or debate will leave the public frustrated or misinformed. "So far as the Commission is concerned, and let's take commissions in general, and not necessarily this one specifically; it is quite probable the Commission may have on it individuals who feel uneasy about the possibility of having what they say played back on radio. They should not be inhibited in free exchange of debate beacuse of this possibility. On the other hand, the Commission may have on it the show off, the grand actor, who tries to tailor all of his remarks for radio news. This is not in the best interest of good government either. So far as our own Commission is concerned, we are probably too informal in our actions, but many times, if you were behind the bench as we are, you can spot those out front who have something to say, but are afraid to speak up. We hope some degree of informality, openness, or whatever you may call it, will make people free to talk. Again, if they are subject to play back on radio, some will not talk and others talk too much. "So far as I am personally concerned; I must recognize certain personality traits. I am more of a deliberate than a quick thinker, if the subject is news. I tend to be repetitious in commission discussion and sometimes make the off -hand remark that does not say what is meant. I am very willing to go on public recor-d.via the radio, but I much prefer giving interviews, and I will do this, either in expressing the consensus of the Commission or my own opinion. Commissioners should all be free to do this if they choose. If I have a few minutes warning to get my thought in order, I will try to deal with any subject, controversial or not. The only exception might be the issue of the future which I have not yet researched, so that there would be no opinion to offer. I am aware that radio newsmen in Salina put in long, long hours each day. Hours that most citizens could not begin to keep up with, and the method I prefer requires still more time on their part, yet the commission will operate better and the citizens will have a clearer picture, in my opinion." Mr. Parks replied, "Mr. Mayor, I certainly appreciate your thinking there. I have been through this before, I might add; and let me say this to you, I am a great believer, I think it is a professional responsibility that Mr. Jennison and I have to the public by virtue of our F.C.C. license, and therefore we are very jealous about anything that would preclude robust discussion to the public and this sort of thing. The thing I find difficult to go along with your argument, with all due respect Mr. Mayor, is simply this, that we already pick up your voices here, Like Mr. Teel is picking up my voice now on,,what is the name of your station? That other radio station - KSAL - but seriously he does the same thing with you. I noticed today that he was putting the mic forth and as Mr. Ken Jennison, General Manager of KSAL said, "I appreciate that Mr, Mayor and I know some of the things you say and some of the discussion that you have there on the bench certainly you wouldn't want quoted, and we probably wouldn't want to use as news content. I do disagree with your point about what comes out of this Commission meeting is only confined to a fifteen minute news cast. It is a matter of debate of whether we would have, I know some stations are all news and we could have an 182 hour news cast on KSAL if it would so merit. Now it would not be practical because there is not that much news. There are some radio stations that do broadcast news for 182 hours or 20 hours, or full time they have news on. This really isn't our point anyway. today, our main point is just to get a clearer reproduction of what you have to say, and if there are some things you still say that you don't want used on the radio for fear of some problem that might come from it, we certainly would obey your wishes on this. Our only desire is to have a better sound. We spend a great deal of money on the broadcasting equipment and when people say, 'now here is our Mayor speaking' and it sounds like a mumble in the background because we are 40 feet from you, your voice, it doesn't sound like our Mayor, and we can't always come up with the comment you have to make after you have thought about it. You can also change your way you have said it to fit whatever the news situation may be. The news, as I see it, is as it happens, and as the motions and everything are passed and the way they are done. To me, that has the value in it, and the quality is what we are after. Now we have everything you have said today on tape anyway. Some of it we can't hear too well and this is what we want to do. We want to have it so we can hear it better, and I don't see that it would hurt the aesthetics of the room to have the wire, which we would pay for and take care of and not cause you any problems. Thank you." Commissioner Ashton commented, "I think you did a real nice job, Mr. Mayor, of telling about the emotions and feelings up here. Many times there is anxiety in the air when we answer a particular question and sometimes we answer without giving full thinking to the discussion of the issue, and I think it is better if you have something that you really want to emphasize on the radio that you do come to the individual and tape it there, and this is where you get your clear sounds that are with the reasoning behind it. I think you have a chance to weigh it and say exactly what you mean more than you do from the bench up here, because many times we are in an issue that has quite a bit of controversy with it and sometimes we speak before we really think it on through." he explained before we can do the same thing we are presently doing under the new concept, the only thing is the public would benefit by hearing a little better. It is like telling the lady from the Journal here, we want you to use verichrome film in your camera instead of super XXX, in other words she can still take your picture, but it is still not a good quality, and if you allow her to use XXX film she gets a better picture. Well this is the same analogy as I see it. We still have a right to pick up your conversation, but as Mr. Teel pointed out, it is very echoy and very distractful to the radio audience. I know in Hutchinson, for example, this was debated several years ago as to whether or not they would even allow microphones in the Commission meetings, and they agreed to do this and now the people down there in the radio tap off the amplifier and it works real well. I don't think you are going to find that KSAL or KINA will deliberately quote you out of context any more than Mrs. Black would in the newspaper. I think we are all responsible journalists, we try to do our very best to present the news as we find it. I don't mean to say we are perfect by any means, but at least we try our best. I do hope you will take this into consideration in your deliberation. I don't think it is going to change the picture at all, it is just as was said before, to improve the quality so the public can benefit." Mayor Weisgerber said, "I certainly didn't mean to imply in any way that either one of you would take anything out of context with any deliberate idea of misappropriating. I am sure you wouldn't. I know George and Charlie both are doing and try to do the best job they can and getting things done accurately, but as I said before and I feel that it is true in this particular area, you have a fifteen minute news cast and in this fifteen minute news cast you have to cover international news, national news, state news and local news. I think about last week as an example, is one place where a newspaper has a certain advantage over you. There were articles in the paper from Tuesday night clear through Friday. We had a long meeting, there was a lot in it, a lot of discussion about it, and some very important things in it. I really don't know how many words were written about that one meeting, but it has been a considerable number. Now, it seems to me it doesn't matter how dedicated you are to try and do the very best job you can, that you can take what someone has said and in a few minutes out of that meeting and convey a clear picture of this to your listening public, One reason I feel this way is not altogether for what I, myself, say here, it comes from watching and listening to the radio and TV, and usually when I hear someone is interviewed or quoted, then I think this man should have put his thinking in order as what he says represents him; but if I hear someone quoted as he is speaking at a meeting or this type of thing, I just cross it off because I don't feel that there is any way of expressing that man's thoughts in that short a time. Now Ken, you can take a crack at it all you want. I don't mind at all. I am just trying to express the way I really feel about it." Mr. Ken Jennison, General Manager of KSAL said, "I appreciate that Mr, Mayor and I know some of the things you say and some of the discussion that you have there on the bench certainly you wouldn't want quoted, and we probably wouldn't want to use as news content. I do disagree with your point about what comes out of this Commission meeting is only confined to a fifteen minute news cast. It is a matter of debate of whether we would have, I know some stations are all news and we could have an 182 hour news cast on KSAL if it would so merit. Now it would not be practical because there is not that much news. There are some radio stations that do broadcast news for 182 hours or 20 hours, or full time they have news on. This really isn't our point anyway. today, our main point is just to get a clearer reproduction of what you have to say, and if there are some things you still say that you don't want used on the radio for fear of some problem that might come from it, we certainly would obey your wishes on this. Our only desire is to have a better sound. We spend a great deal of money on the broadcasting equipment and when people say, 'now here is our Mayor speaking' and it sounds like a mumble in the background because we are 40 feet from you, your voice, it doesn't sound like our Mayor, and we can't always come up with the comment you have to make after you have thought about it. You can also change your way you have said it to fit whatever the news situation may be. The news, as I see it, is as it happens, and as the motions and everything are passed and the way they are done. To me, that has the value in it, and the quality is what we are after. Now we have everything you have said today on tape anyway. Some of it we can't hear too well and this is what we want to do. We want to have it so we can hear it better, and I don't see that it would hurt the aesthetics of the room to have the wire, which we would pay for and take care of and not cause you any problems. Thank you." Commissioner Ashton commented, "I think you did a real nice job, Mr. Mayor, of telling about the emotions and feelings up here. Many times there is anxiety in the air when we answer a particular question and sometimes we answer without giving full thinking to the discussion of the issue, and I think it is better if you have something that you really want to emphasize on the radio that you do come to the individual and tape it there, and this is where you get your clear sounds that are with the reasoning behind it. I think you have a chance to weigh it and say exactly what you mean more than you do from the bench up here, because many times we are in an issue that has quite a bit of controversy with it and sometimes we speak before we really think it on through." Commissioner Cooper commented, "That is right. I do it all the time, but I can't see any difference whether the station repeats it or Karen prints it. It is 6 of one and 2 dozen of the other. I believe that this is a simple request on the part of the stations if they feel it would be helpful, I have no objections to it. I certainly can't see any harm in it." Mr. Parks said, "I guess I am being redundant here, but I just can't get through my mind,what is the difference what we presently have and what we are asking? The only thing we are asking is - let us have a little better quality of what we are getting now, and I can't follow your reasoning Mr. Ashton." Mayor Weisgerber said, "I think up to now, with the exception of last week maybe, I don't think you have played back, maybe because the reception is so poor. What we are really talking about is that now you will start doing this, whereas in the past you haven't dont it at all. This is what we are really talking about; because you recorded it and Mr. Schull over there records it on his recorder and every once in a while we see people who do this, but it has never been used on the air before. You say we haven't, now we are going to. That is what I think you are saying." Mr. Parks replied, "Mr. Mayor, you know there is available on the market a very expensive microphone that I suppose we could substitute with what we are presently using. It is a long stem thing that we would point right at each of you individually and it does what we are asking to do, where we wouldn't have to go to that terrible expense." Mayor Weisgerber commented, "We could also say, we aren't going to have any microphones in here." Mr. Parks replied, "I would hate to hear what the public would say about that." Mayor Weisgerber said, "We would have to tell the public, if you want to hear it, then you come on down here. You mentioned Hutchinson. If I understand Hutchinson correctly, and I don't know what we would think about that, I doubt if either one of you would have time to do it; but some of these places record the entire commission meeting and play or broadcast the entire commission meeting. This might scare some people considerably, just the thought of this; however, if anyone took the patience to listen to it, they at least would get the complete picture." Commissioner Losik said, "Well Jack, I think we have all had our say here and I can't help but repeat what Sherwood and Ken and George and Charlie, all they are asking is for something that we had agreed to do is hold our open meetings open to the public, in the event somebody can't snow up they have every right to have the news media tell them what took place, and do it accurately. Now as far as I am concerned I have full confidence in the news media, radios, Journal and so forth. They have used the news very wisely, I feel. There were times when they were against me, it was wisely. There were times when it was for me, wisely. This is not the point. The point is, it is news, regardless of whether it is good news or bad news, it is their job to report it. They don't like to report bad news, but it is still news and the public is entitled to hear it. Now, there is no substitute for open government. Open government is good government. There is no substitute for it. I have no reason to feel that what this request is going to do, would hurt this Commission or would hurt the community in any way shape or form. It is therefore my motion that we approve the request for the two radio stations, and since they have offered to do it at no cost to the City, I think this is a big deal for us. This is my motion, Mr. Mayor." Commissioner Cooper seconded the motion, Commissioner Caldwell asked if this is in keeping with the City that an outsider can place instruments here for that purpose. The City Manager replied that there would be no objection. Commissioner Caldwell commented, "I am of the opinion - I think since we have asked the news media into our supposed pre -commission meetings we have had in the past. I am of the opinion if you want clearer statements that you would get them by talking personally to each Commissioner, I think this happens anyway. If one of the news media happens to want something clarified, he will come and ask that particular person as to what he said and how he feels about it, and this is the way we have done in the past. I am of the opinion, like I said I don't personally care, I guess, and I realize that this is news for the public, but I think a lot of times you might say something here at Commission meeting, it might be in the middle of debate or something, but you may not want to be quoted; however I know you already have it taped. I feel if you are a good reporter, you are going to get the information anyway. You are being paid for that job. We are being paid here to be your guinea pigs as to what you want to put in the news media, but I really feel like the Mayor does and I tbi-nk he has expressed some sound thinking on it that should be done just like it is being done now; however, I know it is still open to the public, If you want clarification, you should get it personally from each Commissioner." CONSOLIDATED-SALINA 1 1973 CEREAL MALT BEVERAGE LICENSE APPLICATIONS Renewals Safeway Stores, Inc. 1808 South 9th Virgil McCreary, Manager Fraternal Order of Eagles 146 North 7th Tom Ludes, Steward The Office 144 South 5th Michael W. Hawk King Oil Company 683 South Broadway Floyd E. Torrey Red Ram 736 North Santa Fe Janis C. Hawk Falley's, Inc. -/t'8 901 West Crawford Wayne Kent Laughman, Manager Bengtson & Son's Champlin 1103 East Crawford Earl L. Bengtson American Legion 142 South 7th James R. Merrill, Manager Kim's Steak House 1837-45 South 9th Kim Q. &/or Thuey Kim Low Warehouse Market 1740 West Crawford Frank Baker, Manager Bachelor's Inn 328 South Broadway Mary Lee Baird Pee Wee's Place 340 North 12th Mabel M. Weis Paramount Bar 219 North Santa Fe Andrew Chrisbens Jerry's Texaco 700 South Broadway Jerry Dean Dumas Bird's Superette 301 North 9th Norman Bird Union Station Tavern 717 Bishop Chester E. Lawson Hilton Inn (Restaurant) 100 North 5th Pat R. Guernsey, General Manager Labor Building Social Club, Inc. 2055 South Ohio Randy Kuhn, Treasurer -Manager Dillon Companies, Inc. #27 511 East Iron Irvin B. Hans, Jr., Manager Dillon Companies, Inc. #41 1201 West Crawford Donald Eliot, Manager Dillon Companies, Inc. #53 2012 South Ohio Marvin D. Keeler, Manager Weeks, Inc. 505 South Santa Fe Argel Weeks, V. President New Holiday Bowl 1125 West South Paul Eldridge, Manager Pizza Hut 1200 South Santa Fe Lloyd William Holmgren Red Hen Lounge 752 North Broadway Robert H. Vidricksen Site Service Station 1715 South 9th Bob Massey, Manager Taco Tico, Inc. 916 East Crawford Damian Camargo, Manager Red Pussy Cat, Inc. 1111 West South Gayle L. Leister, Manager Cavalier Club, Inc. 716 North 12th Robert H. Vidricksen, Manager PJ Lounge 433 South Broadway Josephine F. Peterson Mac's Bar -B -Q 1100 North 9th Curtis McDaniel Panjo's Pizza 675 South Ohio Alfred F. Claus Sazerac Tavern 427 South Broadway Wm. C. Hoeffner & Wm. H. Niemann North Santa Fe Recreation 808 North Santa Fe Mablee Le Duc Coronado Club 222 Diamond Drive Jimmie G. Mar Mars Restaurant 712 South Broadway Jimmie G. Mar Norwood Western Ice Company 204 East Elm I. Virgil Norwood Norwood Sinclair Service 1947 North 9th I. Virgil Norwood Hiway Sundries 901 North 9th Charles T. Swedenburg Hurry Back Inn 115 South Santa Fe Colleen Francisco All Star Lanes 624 South Broadway Richard M. Lindblom, Manager Salina Country Club 2101 Country Club Road John Marino, Manager Hide Away 540 Willis Leonard J. Dahl One Spot Cafe 316 South Broadway James Norman Martin Bob's Place 316 East Pacific Marva Lea Timmons Landes Oil Co., Inc. #2 1900 South 9th John W. Landes Landes Oil Co., Inc. #3 720 North Broadway John W. Landes Landes Oil Co., Inc. #11 1118 North 9th John W. Landes Landes Oil Co., Inc. #14 547 West Cloud John W. Landes Landes Oil Co., Inc. #15 418 East Iron John W. Landes Landes Oil Co., Inc. #1 680 South Phillips John W. Landes Quik Trip Corp. #301 1009 East Crawford Ray Lewis, Manager Quik Trip Corp. #302 2740 Belmont Earl Ray Carriger, Jr., Manager Quik Trip Corp. #303 1118 West Cloud Rex Ryser, Manager Quik Trip Corp. #304 1307 South Santa Fe Steve Pastiva, Manager Gi Gi's Lounge & Grill 122 North Santa Fe Varvel D. Draper El Matador 1035 East Pacific Donald L. Herl Rendezvous Tavern 249 North Santa Fe Keith D. Graybeal E & J Cafe 816 North Santa Fe Euradell Jackson Knights of Columbus 115 North 10th Paul B. Bredengerd, Manager Smedley's IGA 1019 North 9th Keith W. Smedley Elks Lodge #718 124 -North 7th Paul M. Loop, Secretery-Manager Mark Twain Restaurant & Steak House of Salina, Inc. 1333 West Crawford Louis Mellott, Manager Salina Moose Lodge #721 1700 West Beverly Dr. Ivan R. Card, Secretery-Manage r Commissioner Losik said, "I have a little bit more to say to this. I don't feel we are being guinea pigs in any way shape or form. I think all these people are asking! us to do what we should be willing to do. If we say something up here I think that we should be held responsible for what we say, if not we shouldn't say it. If we say something derogatory, we are going to have to live with that. We can't undo or take away what has been said, Now, I am frankly shocked to think this City Commission would be so unresponsive to the needs of the community on not permitting the news media to fulfill, through their own equipment, what they are asking to do, what they are already capable of doing. In other words we are depriving them of doing a better job; and when we do that, it would be an infringement on the news media, I feel. I can't believe that this Commission here and present day, where under law we are required to hold open meetings. I don't think we should hold back and worry about what we say or what the news media says about us. The facts are they were said, those are the facts, our official records and minutes state this word for word. I am at a loss as to why all the reluctance. I call for the question." A lengthy and heated discussion followed. Commissioner Caldwell moved that the matter be tabled until another time in the near future. Commissioner Losik replied, "If this is tabled, it will be nothing more but a typical foot dragging deal here from facing an issue and making a decision on it. That is all that would amount to." Commissioner Losik called for a vote on his motion. The Mayor called for a vote on Commissioner Losik's motion. Ayes: Cooper, Losik (2). Nays: Ashton, Caldwell, Weisgerber (3). Motion did not carry. Commissioner Ashton seconded Commissioner Caldwell's motion that the matter be tabled on a temporary basis. Mayor Weisgerber commented, "Give us a little time to think over what we have heard today and what you have said, and see if we may not decide to soften this stand a little bit." The Mayor called for a vote on the motion. Ayes: Ashton, Caldwell, Weisgerber (3). Nays: Cooper, Losik (2). Motion carried. "DISCUSS SPECIAL MEETING FOR END OF THE YEAR." (Sponsored by Commissioner Losik) Commissioner Losik said, "The purpose of this is that last year we had some last minute odds and ends that needed to be cleaned up, because this year is a little bit different because we will have additional time before we meet again. I am not advocating a special meeting, I am just wanting an opinion as to whether we should have one. If the staff feels there is going to be enough information to have one, and if there is, would there be enough Commissioners available to have it. This is what I need to know. This is what ties in with what I asked Don, if all the license applications were in. If staff feels there is going to be a need for one to clean up some last minute stuff, if there is we can set a tentative date and see if there would be a quorum here to be able to hold it, because I know there is going to be a lot of people going, and if it is necessary we can do it." The City Manager said he checked with the various department heads and they assured him that they know of nothing today, and the only thing the Commission is carrying over is the Mobile Home Craftsman Ordinance, Commissioner Losik said if there is no need for one, we can just dispense with it and go on. The City Manager explained, "To establish a date today for a special meeting, it would have to be a special call and you would have to list precisely what you are going to discuss." PUBLIC AGENDA A REQUEST was received from Albert Hedges, asking for a pardon under K.S.A. 13-515. A motion was made by Commissioner Losik, seconded by Commissioner Cooper that the pardon be approved, Ayes: (5). Nays: (0). Motion carried. A MOTION was made by Commissioner Ashton, seconded by Commissioner Caldwell that the Regular Meeting of the Board of Commissioners adjourn. Ayes: (5). Nays: (0). Motion carried. D. L. Harrison, City Clerk 1