12-18-1972 MinutesCity of Salina, Kansas
Commissioners' Meeting
December 18, 1972
The Regular Meeting of the Board of Commissioners met in the Commissioners' Room,
City -County Building, on Monday, December 18, 1972, at four o'clock p.m.
The Mayor asked everyone to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag and a
Moment of Silent Prayer.
There were present:
Mayor Jack Weisgerber, Chairman presiding
Commissioner Leon L. Ashton
Commissioner Robert C. Caldwell
Commissioner Norma G. Cooper
Commissioner Mike Losik, Jr.
comprising a quorum of the Board, also:
L. 0. Bengtson, City Attorney
Norris D. Olson, City Manager
D. L. Harrison, City Clerk
The Minutes of the Regular Meeting of December 11, 1972, were approved as mailed.
STAFF AGENDA
AN ORDINANCE was introduced for second reading entitled: "AN ORDINANCE
appropriating money from the various funds to pay payrolls and claims against the City of
Salina, Saline County, Kansas, for the calendar year of 1973, as provided in Kansas Statutes
Annotated 13-2601." A motion was made by Commissioner Ashton, seconded by Commissioner
Cooper to adopt the ordinance as read and the following vote was had: Ayes: Ashton,
Caldwell, Cooper, Losik, Weisgerber (5). Nays: (0). Carried. The Mayor approved the
ordinance and it is numbered 8268. The ordinance was introduced for first reading
December 11, 1972,
AN ORDINANCE was introduced for second reading entitled: "AN ORDINANCE repealing
Ordinance Number 8257 pertaining to the issuanee of Javelin Corporation Industrial Revenue
Bonds." A motion was made by Commissioner Cooper, seconded by Commissioner Ashton to adopt
the ordinance as read and the following vote was had: Ayes: Ashton, Caldwell, Cooper,
Losik, Weisgerber (5). Nays:(0). Carried. The Mayor approved the ordinance and it is
numbered 8269. The ordinance was introduced for first reading December 11, 1972.
AN ORDINANCE was introduced for second reading entitled: "AN ORDINANCE authorizing
the City of Salina, Kansas, to acquire the real property hereinafter described and to
construct and purchase buildings, improvements, machinery and equipment to be leased to
Javelin Corporation, authorizing and directing the issuance of $440,000 principal amount
of Industrial Revenue Bonds, Series October 1, 1972, of said City for the purpose of
providing funds to pay the cost of acquiring the real property hereinafter described and
to construct and purchase buildings, improvements, machinery and equipment to be leased to
Javelin Corporation, prescribing the form and authorizing the execution of a lease by and
between said City and said company." A motion was made by Commissioner Ashton, seconded by
Commissioner Losik to adopt the ordinance as read and the following vote was had: Ayes:
Ashton, Caldwell, Cooper, Losik, Weisgerber (5). Nays: (0). Carried. The Mayor approved
the ordinance and it is numbered 8270. The ordinance was introduced for first reading
December 11, 1972.
THE COMMISSIONERS considered an offer from Piper, Jaffray, and Hopwood, Minneapolis,
Minnesota, to purchase $440,000 Industrial Revenue Bonds, secured by a lease with Javelin
Corporation. A motion was made by Commissioner Cooper, seconded by Commissioner Ashton to
accept the offer from Piper, Jaffray and Hopwood, Minneapolis, Minnesota to purchase
$440,000 Industrial Revenue Bonds. Ayes: (5). Nays: (0). Motion carried.
AN ORDINANCE was introduced for second reading entitled: "AN ORDINANCE establishing
the rate of fares for taxicabs operating within the City of Salina, Kansas, amending Section
34-68 of The Salina Code and repealing the existing section." A motion was made by
Commissioner Caldwell, seconded by Commissioner Ashton to adopt the ordinance as read.
Commissioner Cooper said before the roll call, she would like to say one thing:
"Since I am one of the Commissioners that does not agree to the rate increase, I don't know
what else I can add to what I have already said, but I feel I should try and say something.
I don't believe a rate increase, based on the information we have, is doing a service to
the company or to the customer, and under those circumstances, the Commission would probably,
or I as a Commissioner feel like it would be better if I wasn't in the rate setting business,
and this is the reason, basically, that I do not agree to the increase."
The following vote was received on the motion to adopt the ordinance. Ayes:
Ashton, Caldwell, Weisgerber (3). Nays: Cooper, Losik (2). Carried. The Mayor approved
the ordinance and it is numbered 8271. The ordinance was introduced for first reading
December 11, 1972.
THE COMMISSIONERS considered a Maintenance Agreement with the State Highway
Commission, which provides it would maintain the portions of 1-35-W and 1-70 within the
City Limits.
The City Manager explained this is for the maintenance of the interchanges, and
81 Highway north of 1-70, and is in keeping with what they advised us of last summer, and
would be effective January 1, 1973.
A motion was made by Commissioner Ashton, seconded by Commissioner Losik to
accept the Maintenance Agreement and authorize the Mayor to sign. Ayes: (5). Nays: (0).
Motion carried.
A RESOLUTION was introduced and passed entitled: "AN ORDINANCE establishing a
separate trust fund to be known as "Federal Revenue Sharing Trust Fund." A motion was made
by Commissioner Caldwell, seconded by Commissioner Ashton to adopt the Resolution as read.
Commissioner Ashton asked if they wanted to designate a length of time the money
would be invested in Certificates of Deposit? He said it could be set up for 90 days, and
then if there are no projects payable at that time, it could be renewed again for a certain
length of time.
Commissioner Ashton asked the City Clerk if there is a difference in the interest
rate for 90 day Certificate of Deposit and 6 month Certificate of Deposit.
Mr. Harrison replied, the interest for a 90 day Certificate of Deposit is 4%,
and for 6 months it might be a little more.
Commissioner Ashton suggested one-half be in Certificate of Deposit for 6 months
and one-half for a three month period; so at the end of the three month period, any
obligations could be paid, but if there weren't any, it could be reinvested.
Mayor Weisgerber remarked he wished it could be done on a 90 day basis. "I sort
of hate to tie it up for six months, because things might come along more quickly than
that."
Commissioner Losik remarked,'"I think we should put it on a 6 month Certificate
of Deposit."
Commissioner Cooper commented, if it were put into a 6 month deposit, then at the
end of three months we decide we need $75,000 for something, we wouldn't have to withdraw
the entire amount, and the interest would only be effected on that part of it.
The City Attorney explained that there is no obligation on the bank whatsoever
to redeem the Certificate of Deposit until the due date. He said the banks may loan you some
money on this, but technically they cannot pay, or you cannot cash it until the end of that
period.
Commissioner Caldwell included in his motion that it be on a 90 day basis, and
the motion was seconded by Commissioner Ashton. Ayes: Ashton, Caldwell, Cooper, Weisgerber
(4). Nays: Losik (1). Carried. The Mayor approved the Resolution and it is numbered 3134.
THE CITY ENGINEER filed Final Estimate for Engineering Project 72-548 for Salina
Police Administration Building revisions, for Johnson Builders, Inc., in the amount of
$4,590.00. A motion was made by Commissioner Losik, seconded by Commissioner Caldwell to
approve the final estimate. Ayes: (5). Nays: (0). Motion carried.
A RESOLUTION was introduced and passed entitled: "A RESOLUTION making application
to become a participating employer in the Kansas Police and Firemen's Retirement System,
a Division of the Kansas Public Employees Retirement System, and designating the Director
of Personnel as the agent for the City."
Commissioner Ashton asked for clarification. of the participating part of the
Resolution and asked if it meant for employees who are presently employed, or for future
employees?
The City Attorney replied, "This resolution is only for new employees. You will
make a decision on the present employees after you receive the actuary study. This
Resolution includes any new employee who becomes a member after January 1st; he is
automatically placed under the pension fund."
Mayor Weisgerber suggested, after the actuary study is received, the Commission
may decide to use some of the revenue sharing money to try to get them in that pension fund.
Commissioner Losik said last week, when the actuary study was ordered, the source
of the funds was not identified.
Commissioner Ashton replied that he meant to incorporate it in his motion last
week, but neglected to do so, that the Contingencies Fund would be where it would be paid.
A motion was made by Commissioner Ashton, seconded by Commissioner Losik to
adopt the Resolution as read and the following vote was had: Ayes: Ashton, Caldwell,
Cooper, Losik, Weisgerber (5). Nays: (.0). Carried. The Mayor approved the Resolution and
it is numbered 3135.
CEREAL MALT BEVERAGE LICENSE APPLICATIONS were filed for 1973:
The City Clerk reported there are 80 renewal applications and 9 new applications;
and all have paid the required fee, and all have been approved by the Zoning Officer, Health
Department, and the Police Department.
Commissioner Losik asked how many applications are still outstanding?
The City Clerk reported there are 3 or 4 who say they are not going to be in
business next year.
Commissioner Cooper asked if they filled out the forms which were drawn up by the
City last year?
She was told yes.
A motion was made by Commissioner Ashton, seconded by Commissioner Losik to
approve the 1973 Cereal Malt Beverage license applications, as listed, and authorize the
City Clerk to issue the licenses. Ayes: (5). Nays: (0). Motion carried.
COMMISSION AGENDA
"RECONSIDERATION OF MOBILE HOME CRAFTSMEN AND APPRENTICE LICENSING ORDINANCE."
(Sponsored by Commissioner Cooper)
Commissioner Cooper said, "This item was accepted earlier by this Commission and
we felt like we needed more time for review on it. It is my understanding that this
ordinance applies to the connection of utilities, routine maintenance, and repair of
mobile homes and makes provisions of craftsmen licensing and inspection by the City. It
has the endorsement of the people in the trade and the Building Code Advisory Board, that we
pass this ordinance. When it was tabled I think we wanted a little more time for some kind
of response from people within the community; however, I don't know about the rest of the
Commission, but I didn't hear anything from anyone, so I have a feeling that until we place
it on first reading we very likely may not hear anything, and I feel like, under the
circumstances, in what this ordinance covers that it should be placed on first reading
today, if it is agreeable."
Mr. Jim Morrow said, "I am back again. I would like to comment on this in that
I would like to insert the word 'if'. If this requires an amendment to the existing
electrical code, then I would hope you would give consideration to whatever you are trying
to accomplish on behalf of the Electrical Code Panel; because I cannot help but believe
that this panel was set up for this purpose of having a look at whatever changes should be
made within the existing code and then submit it to you with a recommendation. You have on
this Code Panel an Engineer, a lawyer, two electrical contractors and a journeyman, and they
are all familiar with this code. They have the duties of helping to settle grievances,
hardships, or amendments, so what I am saying is if what you are trying to accomplish
requires an amendment to the electrical code, then you give consideration, if you will, to
the attitude of this Code Panel. One other comment I would like to make is, two weeks ago
a gentleman made the statement that he was denied the opportunity to wire an air conditioner
in a trailer park. As I read the ordinance, I find under the apprenticeship section of the
Code that exists, that under ordinary circumstances an apprentice would work under the
jurisdiction of a journeyman wireman; however there is a provision that says that if he
will acquire written permission from the examining board, and this is another group of
people who determine the qualifications of the electrical and mechanical, that if you
receive written permission from them, then you can pursue this work. So I see no hardship
on anyone here, if consideration is given to the electrical code as it now stands. Thank
you."
Commissioner Cooper asked Mr. Morrow if he has a copy of this proposed ordinance.
Mr. Morrow replied that he does not, so she gave him a copy.
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Commissioner Cooper commented that she went over this thing, and it is an
ordinance for mobile home craftsmen and apprentice licensing. She said she can't find any-
thing in it that would be in conflict with anyone else.
The City Attorney explained that this would require adding a new section to the
Code, and would also require amending the electrical section of the code for the reason that
the present electrical code says it shall be unlawful for any person to engage in the
business of repairing electric wiring, and so on, without first obtaining a license from
the City and of course licensing requirements are that you pass the electrical exam. I
haven't delved into it at this point, but I would think we would have to amend that section
to provide it shall be unlawful for any person to engage in the business of electrical
wiring and so forth, except in a mobile home where it could be done by a mobile home
craftsman. We almost have to exclude him, because right now, this will be electrical work,
but the craftsman will be allowed to do it in a mobile home."
Commissioner Cooper asked if he would be required to pass an examination.
The City Attorney replied, that is correct. He also explained that the plumbing
code would have to be amended in the same manner,
Mr. Morrow commented, "Here again, I think we are overlooking what my comments
are. The fact that you have established a code panel and given these people the duty to
help solve the changes that need to be made before they are brought to you with a
recommendation. This is what I am saying, this is in the code now, and I feel if this
were given to them through the City Electrical Inspector, and it is stipulated that this
is his duty, to let these people that you have designated, to make and give their opinion
on this and they you can see the information, and according to the code that exists, you
must pass your judgement on. This is all I am asking."
Commissioner Cooper said, "I thought we had this input from the Building Code
Advisory Board."
Mr. Morrow replied, "You do have the different board, this is true and there
has been possibly no meeting between the two boards. You have an area here, of people you
have designated as a Code Advisory Panel to give you advice on changes that should be made,
and on the other hand you have, in my opinion, a committee that is designated as a Code
Panel that is a permanent part of this City Code. I have seen them by-passed several times.'
I do not understand why, but it has happened."
Commissioner Losik said, "Mr. Morrow, I think you will recall here quite some
time back we went through this same type of situation where there was obviously or for some
apparent reason, or whatever the case, the lack of coordination between the boards. I took
a very firm stand on that stating that these things must -be coordinated through the boards
we have established to come up with this. Now, whether this has been done or not in this
case, I don't know, but on the other hand, I can feel that the only way we can get any
action on this and not just let the thing drag and drag and -drag is to put this thing on
first reading, and then it is going to mean that everybody concerned is going to get their
heat up and they are going to do something about it and coordinate it, and it will come
back to us, and prior to second reading we will have all this back, and this is going to get'
something resolved. Otherwise this thing will just drag on and on. If it hasn't been
coordinated, this will force it to do this, and if it has, then this will just reconfirm it."
Mr. Morrow commented, "But somewhere within the administration this should have
been coordinated."
Mayor Weisgerber called for a vote on the motion to introduce the ordinance for
first reading. Ayes: (5). Nays: (0). Motion carried.
Ordinance Passed: �Q �,� , , i5 1975 Number: U12 -
"DISCUSS
1Z -"DISCUSS PROPOSAL FROM KSAL AND KINA". (Sponsored by Commissioner Losik)
Commissioner Losik said, "We have a letter dated December 2nd from KSAL and one
dated December 1st from KINA; they both are asking for the same thing. With the end of the
year coming up there are a lot of these kinds of things if we don't get them done they are
not going to get done, and before I make a motion to approve this I would like to take and
hear any comments from the floor, because if I make the motion, then of course that will
eliminate that, so I prefer to hear the comments from the floor."
Mr. George Teel, from KSAL said, "I am not sure we have anything to add, we would
just like to reinforce. You have allowed us to come in here, which we appreciate, with
microphones, what we want to do is tap into your amplifier system so whatever you have to
say, instead of standing back here and sounding like you are coming out of a well, it will
come across much clearer. All we want is clarity, and also the spontaneity of your
conversation. I guess those are the two key words, clarity and spontaneity. We can get
it from this distance. It doesn't sound too good and we hesitate using it on the air.
That is all I have to say."
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Mr. Charlie Harrigan, from KINA said, "I might add that in keeping with what
Mr. Teel said that we also believe you Commissioners, as public officials too, in trying to
keep the spontaneity and clarity of our interviews want what is said in the Commission
meeting clear, and with the understanding of the public we think that as public officials
you are spokesmen for them that this should be considered, because it is the right of the
public to hear these things which you discuss at Commission meeting and we feel it is
imperative that we be able to give our listeners the dope as it comes from the meeting.
If they were here they would hear the same thing, if they were setting in the audience,
so it really isn't much different, but we do think clarity is important and that the public
needs to be informed."
Mr. Sherwood Parks said, "If you have any objections, we would kind of like to
hear them and maybe we could address ourselves to them."
Mayor Weisgerber replied, "Yes, I think there are."
Mr. Parks asked to hear the objections, so they could reply to them.
Mayor Weisgerber said, "I have tried to consolidate some of the thinking on this.
I wrote this down, so let me just read this to you, you are welcome to copies of it, and
then we will see how you may may not agree."
"I speak in opposition to tapping into our loud speaker system based on the fact
that it is the primary obligation of the City Commission to bring to the City of Salina the
best possible government, and the obligation of the news media is to communicate our actions
to the public as accurately as possible. I divide my remarks into three parts: First will
deal with the public, second with the total commission and third with my own personal
feeling on this suggestion.
"So far as the public is concerned - in my opinion the most volume of news is
communicated best through radio or TV, when the announcer himself capsules the news. If a
personal touch is desired, then by far the best method is a personal interview with the
person or persons involved in the action. The method of presenting the news that leaves
me with a feeling of incompleteness and inaccuracy is a short excerpt taken out of context
of a speech or debate. At the best it is difficult and practically impossible to take a
couple of hours of City Commission meeting and present it within a very few minutes of time
it is possible to allocate on the air. At the worst, an airing of someone's statement out
of the context of several minutes speaking or debate will leave the public frustrated or
misinformed.
"So far as the Commission is concerned, and let's take commissions in general,
and not necessarily this one specifically; it is quite probable the Commission may have on
it individuals who feel uneasy about the possibility of having what they say played back
on radio. They should not be inhibited in free exchange of debate beacuse of this
possibility. On the other hand, the Commission may have on it the show off, the grand
actor, who tries to tailor all of his remarks for radio news. This is not in the best
interest of good government either. So far as our own Commission is concerned, we are
probably too informal in our actions, but many times, if you were behind the bench as we
are, you can spot those out front who have something to say, but are afraid to speak up.
We hope some degree of informality, openness, or whatever you may call it, will make people
free to talk. Again, if they are subject to play back on radio, some will not talk and
others talk too much.
"So far as I am personally concerned; I must recognize certain personality traits.
I am more of a deliberate than a quick thinker, if the subject is news. I tend to be
repetitious in commission discussion and sometimes make the off -hand remark that does not
say what is meant. I am very willing to go on public recor-d.via the radio, but I much
prefer giving interviews, and I will do this, either in expressing the consensus of the
Commission or my own opinion. Commissioners should all be free to do this if they choose.
If I have a few minutes warning to get my thought in order, I will try to deal with any
subject, controversial or not. The only exception might be the issue of the future which
I have not yet researched, so that there would be no opinion to offer. I am aware that
radio newsmen in Salina put in long, long hours each day. Hours that most citizens could
not begin to keep up with, and the method I prefer requires still more time on their part,
yet the commission will operate better and the citizens will have a clearer picture, in
my opinion."
Mr. Parks replied, "Mr. Mayor, I certainly appreciate your thinking there. I
have been through this before, I might add; and let me say this to you, I am a great
believer, I think it is a professional responsibility that Mr. Jennison and I have to the
public by virtue of our F.C.C. license, and therefore we are very jealous about anything
that would preclude robust discussion to the public and this sort of thing. The thing I
find difficult to go along with your argument, with all due respect Mr. Mayor, is simply
this, that we already pick up your voices here, Like Mr. Teel is picking up my voice
now on,,what is the name of your station? That other radio station - KSAL - but seriously
he does the same thing with you. I noticed today that he was putting the mic forth and as
Mr. Ken Jennison, General Manager of KSAL said, "I appreciate that Mr, Mayor and
I know some of the things you say and some of the discussion that you have there on the
bench certainly you wouldn't want quoted, and we probably wouldn't want to use as news
content. I do disagree with your point about what comes out of this Commission meeting
is only confined to a fifteen minute news cast. It is a matter of debate of whether we
would have, I know some stations are all news and we could have an 182 hour news cast on
KSAL if it would so merit. Now it would not be practical because there is not that much
news. There are some radio stations that do broadcast news for 182 hours or 20 hours,
or full time they have news on. This really isn't our point anyway. today, our main point
is just to get a clearer reproduction of what you have to say, and if there are some things
you still say that you don't want used on the radio for fear of some problem that might
come from it, we certainly would obey your wishes on this. Our only desire is to have a
better sound. We spend a great deal of money on the broadcasting equipment and when
people say, 'now here is our Mayor speaking' and it sounds like a mumble in the background
because we are 40 feet from you, your voice, it doesn't sound like our Mayor, and we
can't always come up with the comment you have to make after you have thought about it.
You can also change your way you have said it to fit whatever the news situation may be.
The news, as I see it, is as it happens, and as the motions and everything are passed and
the way they are done. To me, that has the value in it, and the quality is what we are
after. Now we have everything you have said today on tape anyway. Some of it we can't
hear too well and this is what we want to do. We want to have it so we can hear it better,
and I don't see that it would hurt the aesthetics of the room to have the wire, which we
would pay for and take care of and not cause you any problems. Thank you."
Commissioner Ashton commented, "I think you did a real nice job, Mr. Mayor, of
telling about the emotions and feelings up here. Many times there is anxiety in the air
when we answer a particular question and sometimes we answer without giving full thinking
to the discussion of the issue, and I think it is better if you have something that you
really want to emphasize on the radio that you do come to the individual and tape it there,
and this is where you get your clear sounds that are with the reasoning behind it. I think
you have a chance to weigh it and say exactly what you mean more than you do from the bench
up here, because many times we are in an issue that has quite a bit of controversy with it
and sometimes we speak before we really think it on through."
he explained before we can do the same thing we are presently doing under the new concept,
the only thing is the public would benefit by hearing a little better. It is like telling
the lady from the Journal here, we want you to use verichrome film in your camera instead
of super XXX, in other words she can still take your picture, but it is still not a good
quality, and if you allow her to use XXX film she gets a better picture. Well this is the
same analogy as I see it. We still have a right to pick up your conversation, but as
Mr. Teel pointed out, it is very echoy and very distractful to the radio audience. I know
in Hutchinson, for example, this was debated several years ago as to whether or not they
would even allow microphones in the Commission meetings, and they agreed to do this and
now the people down there in the radio tap off the amplifier and it works real well. I
don't think you are going to find that KSAL or KINA will deliberately quote you out of
context any more than Mrs. Black would in the newspaper. I think we are all responsible
journalists, we try to do our very best to present the news as we find it. I don't mean
to say we are perfect by any means, but at least we try our best. I do hope you will
take this into consideration in your deliberation. I don't think it is going to change
the picture at all, it is just as was said before, to improve the quality so the public
can benefit."
Mayor Weisgerber said, "I certainly didn't mean to imply in any way that either
one of you would take anything out of context with any deliberate idea of misappropriating.
I am sure you wouldn't. I know George and Charlie both are doing and try to do the best
job they can and getting things done accurately, but as I said before and I feel that it
is true in this particular area, you have a fifteen minute news cast and in this fifteen
minute news cast you have to cover international news, national news, state news and local
news. I think about last week as an example, is one place where a newspaper has a certain
advantage over you. There were articles in the paper from Tuesday night clear through
Friday. We had a long meeting, there was a lot in it, a lot of discussion about it, and
some very important things in it. I really don't know how many words were written about
that one meeting, but it has been a considerable number. Now, it seems to me it doesn't
matter how dedicated you are to try and do the very best job you can, that you can take
what someone has said and in a few minutes out of that meeting and convey a clear picture
of this to your listening public, One reason I feel this way is not altogether for what
I, myself, say here, it comes from watching and listening to the radio and TV, and usually
when I hear someone is interviewed or quoted, then I think this man should have put his
thinking in order as what he says represents him; but if I hear someone quoted as he is
speaking at a meeting or this type of thing, I just cross it off because I don't feel that
there is any way of expressing that man's thoughts in that short a time. Now Ken, you can
take a crack at it all you want. I don't mind at all. I am just trying to express the
way I really feel about it."
Mr. Ken Jennison, General Manager of KSAL said, "I appreciate that Mr, Mayor and
I know some of the things you say and some of the discussion that you have there on the
bench certainly you wouldn't want quoted, and we probably wouldn't want to use as news
content. I do disagree with your point about what comes out of this Commission meeting
is only confined to a fifteen minute news cast. It is a matter of debate of whether we
would have, I know some stations are all news and we could have an 182 hour news cast on
KSAL if it would so merit. Now it would not be practical because there is not that much
news. There are some radio stations that do broadcast news for 182 hours or 20 hours,
or full time they have news on. This really isn't our point anyway. today, our main point
is just to get a clearer reproduction of what you have to say, and if there are some things
you still say that you don't want used on the radio for fear of some problem that might
come from it, we certainly would obey your wishes on this. Our only desire is to have a
better sound. We spend a great deal of money on the broadcasting equipment and when
people say, 'now here is our Mayor speaking' and it sounds like a mumble in the background
because we are 40 feet from you, your voice, it doesn't sound like our Mayor, and we
can't always come up with the comment you have to make after you have thought about it.
You can also change your way you have said it to fit whatever the news situation may be.
The news, as I see it, is as it happens, and as the motions and everything are passed and
the way they are done. To me, that has the value in it, and the quality is what we are
after. Now we have everything you have said today on tape anyway. Some of it we can't
hear too well and this is what we want to do. We want to have it so we can hear it better,
and I don't see that it would hurt the aesthetics of the room to have the wire, which we
would pay for and take care of and not cause you any problems. Thank you."
Commissioner Ashton commented, "I think you did a real nice job, Mr. Mayor, of
telling about the emotions and feelings up here. Many times there is anxiety in the air
when we answer a particular question and sometimes we answer without giving full thinking
to the discussion of the issue, and I think it is better if you have something that you
really want to emphasize on the radio that you do come to the individual and tape it there,
and this is where you get your clear sounds that are with the reasoning behind it. I think
you have a chance to weigh it and say exactly what you mean more than you do from the bench
up here, because many times we are in an issue that has quite a bit of controversy with it
and sometimes we speak before we really think it on through."
Commissioner Cooper commented, "That is right. I do it all the time, but I
can't see any difference whether the station repeats it or Karen prints it. It is 6 of
one and 2 dozen of the other. I believe that this is a simple request on the part of the
stations if they feel it would be helpful, I have no objections to it. I certainly can't
see any harm in it."
Mr. Parks said, "I guess I am being redundant here, but I just can't get through
my mind,what is the difference what we presently have and what we are asking? The only
thing we are asking is - let us have a little better quality of what we are getting now,
and I can't follow your reasoning Mr. Ashton."
Mayor Weisgerber said, "I think up to now, with the exception of last week maybe,
I don't think you have played back, maybe because the reception is so poor. What we are
really talking about is that now you will start doing this, whereas in the past you haven't
dont it at all. This is what we are really talking about; because you recorded it and
Mr. Schull over there records it on his recorder and every once in a while we see people
who do this, but it has never been used on the air before. You say we haven't, now we
are going to. That is what I think you are saying."
Mr. Parks replied, "Mr. Mayor, you know there is available on the market a very
expensive microphone that I suppose we could substitute with what we are presently using.
It is a long stem thing that we would point right at each of you individually and it does
what we are asking to do, where we wouldn't have to go to that terrible expense."
Mayor Weisgerber commented, "We could also say, we aren't going to have any
microphones in here."
Mr. Parks replied, "I would hate to hear what the public would say about that."
Mayor Weisgerber said, "We would have to tell the public, if you want to hear it,
then you come on down here. You mentioned Hutchinson. If I understand Hutchinson
correctly, and I don't know what we would think about that, I doubt if either one of you
would have time to do it; but some of these places record the entire commission meeting and
play or broadcast the entire commission meeting. This might scare some people considerably,
just the thought of this; however, if anyone took the patience to listen to it, they at
least would get the complete picture."
Commissioner Losik said, "Well Jack, I think we have all had our say here and I
can't help but repeat what Sherwood and Ken and George and Charlie, all they are asking is
for something that we had agreed to do is hold our open meetings open to the public, in
the event somebody can't snow up they have every right to have the news media tell them
what took place, and do it accurately. Now as far as I am concerned I have full confidence
in the news media, radios, Journal and so forth. They have used the news very wisely,
I feel. There were times when they were against me, it was wisely. There were times
when it was for me, wisely. This is not the point. The point is, it is news, regardless
of whether it is good news or bad news, it is their job to report it. They don't like
to report bad news, but it is still news and the public is entitled to hear it. Now,
there is no substitute for open government. Open government is good government. There is
no substitute for it. I have no reason to feel that what this request is going to do,
would hurt this Commission or would hurt the community in any way shape or form. It is
therefore my motion that we approve the request for the two radio stations, and since they
have offered to do it at no cost to the City, I think this is a big deal for us. This is
my motion, Mr. Mayor."
Commissioner Cooper seconded the motion,
Commissioner Caldwell asked if this is in keeping with the City that an
outsider can place instruments here for that purpose.
The City Manager replied that there would be no objection.
Commissioner Caldwell commented, "I am of the opinion - I think since we have
asked the news media into our supposed pre -commission meetings we have had in the past.
I am of the opinion if you want clearer statements that you would get them by talking
personally to each Commissioner, I think this happens anyway. If one of the news media
happens to want something clarified, he will come and ask that particular person as to
what he said and how he feels about it, and this is the way we have done in the past.
I am of the opinion, like I said I don't personally care, I guess, and I realize that this
is news for the public, but I think a lot of times you might say something here at
Commission meeting, it might be in the middle of debate or something, but you may not
want to be quoted; however I know you already have it taped. I feel if you are a good
reporter, you are going to get the information anyway. You are being paid for that job.
We are being paid here to be your guinea pigs as to what you want to put in the news media,
but I really feel like the Mayor does and I tbi-nk he has expressed some sound thinking on
it that should be done just like it is being done now; however, I know it is still open
to the public, If you want clarification, you should get it personally from each
Commissioner."
CONSOLIDATED-SALINA
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1973
CEREAL MALT BEVERAGE LICENSE APPLICATIONS
Renewals
Safeway Stores, Inc.
1808 South 9th
Virgil McCreary, Manager
Fraternal Order of Eagles
146 North 7th
Tom Ludes, Steward
The Office
144 South 5th
Michael W. Hawk
King Oil Company
683 South Broadway
Floyd E. Torrey
Red Ram
736 North Santa Fe
Janis C. Hawk
Falley's, Inc. -/t'8
901 West Crawford
Wayne Kent Laughman, Manager
Bengtson & Son's Champlin
1103 East Crawford
Earl L. Bengtson
American Legion
142 South 7th
James R. Merrill, Manager
Kim's Steak House
1837-45 South 9th
Kim Q. &/or Thuey Kim Low
Warehouse Market
1740 West Crawford
Frank Baker, Manager
Bachelor's Inn
328 South Broadway
Mary Lee Baird
Pee Wee's Place
340 North 12th
Mabel M. Weis
Paramount Bar
219 North Santa Fe
Andrew Chrisbens
Jerry's Texaco
700 South Broadway
Jerry Dean Dumas
Bird's Superette
301 North 9th
Norman Bird
Union Station Tavern
717 Bishop
Chester E. Lawson
Hilton Inn (Restaurant)
100 North 5th
Pat R. Guernsey, General Manager
Labor Building Social Club, Inc.
2055 South Ohio
Randy Kuhn, Treasurer -Manager
Dillon Companies, Inc. #27
511 East Iron
Irvin B. Hans, Jr., Manager
Dillon Companies, Inc. #41
1201 West Crawford
Donald Eliot, Manager
Dillon Companies, Inc. #53
2012 South Ohio
Marvin D. Keeler, Manager
Weeks, Inc.
505 South Santa Fe
Argel Weeks, V. President
New Holiday Bowl
1125 West South
Paul Eldridge, Manager
Pizza Hut
1200 South Santa Fe
Lloyd William Holmgren
Red Hen Lounge
752 North Broadway
Robert H. Vidricksen
Site Service Station
1715 South 9th
Bob Massey, Manager
Taco Tico, Inc.
916 East Crawford
Damian Camargo, Manager
Red Pussy Cat, Inc.
1111 West South
Gayle L. Leister, Manager
Cavalier Club, Inc.
716 North 12th
Robert H. Vidricksen, Manager
PJ Lounge
433 South Broadway
Josephine F. Peterson
Mac's Bar -B -Q
1100 North 9th
Curtis McDaniel
Panjo's Pizza
675 South Ohio
Alfred F. Claus
Sazerac Tavern
427 South Broadway
Wm. C. Hoeffner & Wm. H. Niemann
North Santa Fe Recreation
808 North Santa Fe
Mablee Le Duc
Coronado Club
222 Diamond Drive
Jimmie G. Mar
Mars Restaurant
712 South Broadway
Jimmie G. Mar
Norwood Western Ice Company
204 East Elm
I. Virgil Norwood
Norwood Sinclair Service
1947 North 9th
I. Virgil Norwood
Hiway Sundries
901 North 9th
Charles T. Swedenburg
Hurry Back Inn
115 South Santa Fe
Colleen Francisco
All Star Lanes
624 South Broadway
Richard M. Lindblom, Manager
Salina Country Club
2101 Country Club Road
John Marino, Manager
Hide Away
540 Willis
Leonard J. Dahl
One Spot Cafe
316 South Broadway
James Norman Martin
Bob's Place
316 East Pacific
Marva Lea Timmons
Landes Oil Co., Inc. #2
1900 South 9th
John W. Landes
Landes Oil Co., Inc. #3
720 North Broadway
John W. Landes
Landes Oil Co., Inc. #11
1118 North 9th
John W. Landes
Landes Oil Co., Inc. #14
547 West Cloud
John W. Landes
Landes Oil Co., Inc. #15
418 East Iron
John W. Landes
Landes Oil Co., Inc. #1
680 South Phillips
John W. Landes
Quik Trip Corp. #301
1009 East Crawford
Ray Lewis, Manager
Quik Trip Corp. #302
2740 Belmont
Earl Ray Carriger, Jr., Manager
Quik Trip Corp. #303
1118 West Cloud
Rex Ryser, Manager
Quik Trip Corp. #304
1307 South Santa Fe
Steve Pastiva, Manager
Gi Gi's Lounge & Grill
122 North Santa Fe
Varvel D. Draper
El Matador
1035 East Pacific
Donald L. Herl
Rendezvous Tavern
249 North Santa Fe
Keith D. Graybeal
E & J Cafe
816 North Santa Fe
Euradell Jackson
Knights of Columbus
115 North 10th
Paul B. Bredengerd, Manager
Smedley's IGA
1019 North 9th
Keith W. Smedley
Elks Lodge #718
124 -North 7th
Paul M. Loop, Secretery-Manager
Mark Twain Restaurant & Steak
House of Salina, Inc.
1333 West Crawford
Louis Mellott, Manager
Salina Moose Lodge #721
1700 West Beverly Dr.
Ivan R. Card, Secretery-Manage r
Commissioner Losik said, "I have a little bit more to say to this. I don't
feel we are being guinea pigs in any way shape or form. I think all these people are asking!
us to do what we should be willing to do. If we say something up here I think that we
should be held responsible for what we say, if not we shouldn't say it. If we say
something derogatory, we are going to have to live with that. We can't undo or take away
what has been said, Now, I am frankly shocked to think this City Commission would be so
unresponsive to the needs of the community on not permitting the news media to fulfill,
through their own equipment, what they are asking to do, what they are already capable of
doing. In other words we are depriving them of doing a better job; and when we do that,
it would be an infringement on the news media, I feel. I can't believe that this Commission
here and present day, where under law we are required to hold open meetings. I don't think
we should hold back and worry about what we say or what the news media says about us. The
facts are they were said, those are the facts, our official records and minutes state this
word for word. I am at a loss as to why all the reluctance. I call for the question."
A lengthy and heated discussion followed.
Commissioner Caldwell moved that the matter be tabled until another time in the
near future.
Commissioner Losik replied, "If this is tabled, it will be nothing more but a
typical foot dragging deal here from facing an issue and making a decision on it. That is
all that would amount to."
Commissioner Losik called for a vote on his motion.
The Mayor called for a vote on Commissioner Losik's motion. Ayes: Cooper, Losik
(2). Nays: Ashton, Caldwell, Weisgerber (3). Motion did not carry.
Commissioner Ashton seconded Commissioner Caldwell's motion that the matter be
tabled on a temporary basis.
Mayor Weisgerber commented, "Give us a little time to think over what we have
heard today and what you have said, and see if we may not decide to soften this stand a
little bit."
The Mayor called for a vote on the motion. Ayes: Ashton, Caldwell, Weisgerber (3).
Nays: Cooper, Losik (2). Motion carried.
"DISCUSS SPECIAL MEETING FOR END OF THE YEAR." (Sponsored by Commissioner Losik)
Commissioner Losik said, "The purpose of this is that last year we had some last
minute odds and ends that needed to be cleaned up, because this year is a little bit
different because we will have additional time before we meet again. I am not advocating
a special meeting, I am just wanting an opinion as to whether we should have one. If the
staff feels there is going to be enough information to have one, and if there is, would
there be enough Commissioners available to have it. This is what I need to know. This
is what ties in with what I asked Don, if all the license applications were in. If staff
feels there is going to be a need for one to clean up some last minute stuff, if there is
we can set a tentative date and see if there would be a quorum here to be able to hold it,
because I know there is going to be a lot of people going, and if it is necessary we can
do it."
The City Manager said he checked with the various department heads and they
assured him that they know of nothing today, and the only thing the Commission is carrying
over is the Mobile Home Craftsman Ordinance,
Commissioner Losik said if there is no need for one, we can just dispense with it
and go on.
The City Manager explained, "To establish a date today for a special meeting, it
would have to be a special call and you would have to list precisely what you are going to
discuss."
PUBLIC AGENDA
A REQUEST was received from Albert Hedges, asking for a pardon under K.S.A. 13-515.
A motion was made by Commissioner Losik, seconded by Commissioner Cooper that the pardon be
approved, Ayes: (5). Nays: (0). Motion carried.
A MOTION was made by Commissioner Ashton, seconded by Commissioner Caldwell that
the Regular Meeting of the Board of Commissioners adjourn. Ayes: (5). Nays: (0). Motion
carried.
D. L. Harrison, City Clerk
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