08-27-2018 Minutes CITY OF SALINA, KANSAS
REGULAR MEETING OF THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS
August 27, 2018
4:00 p.m.
The City Commission convened at 2:30 p.m. for the Salina Field House Qualified Active Low-
w Income Community Business, Inc. Board meeting and at 3:45 p.m. for Citizens Forum.
The Regular Meeting of the Board of Commissioners was called to order at 4:00 p.m. in Room 107,
City-County Building. Roll call was taken followed by the Pledge of Allegiance and a moment of
I silence.
Those present and comprising a quorum: Mayor Karl F. Ryan (presiding), Commissioners Trent
Davis,Joe Hay,Jr., Melissa Rose Hodges, and Mike Hoppock.
Also present: Michael Schrage, Interim City Manager; Greg Bengtson, City Attorney; and Shandi
Wicks,City Clerk.
AWARDS AND PROCLAMATIONS
(3.1) The month of September, 2018 as "National Recovery Month" in the city of Salina.
Don Green, Senior Recovery Coach, read the proclamation and announced
associated events.
CITIZENS FORUM
111 Joan Ratzlaff, Salina, representing the Salina Area Worker's Coalition (SAWC), provided
information on the creation of the Labor Day holiday and on SAWC. She continued by
inviting the City Commission and the public to the 7th Annual Labor Day Celebration at Ad
Astra Books& Coffee House on Monday,September 3, 2018 from 6 pm to 8:30 pm.
Bruce Moore, Volunteer at the Salina Animal Shelter, provided information on his hours of
service at the animal shelter, past volunteering accomplishments and information on
Vanessa Cowie's accomplishments and reasons for her possible termination. He continued
by providing information on the supervision of the animal shelter.
Barb Jansen, Volunteer at the Salina Animal Shelter, provided information on the animal
cruelty case in the county and asked why the owners were not charged for the cost of care
of the animals.
Jon Blanchard, 1117 State Street, provided information on the chain of command of the
organization and encouraged the commission to look at the policy and provided
information on the staff meetings of the animal shelter and the attendance of the
department directors at those meetings. He continued by asking for information on the
report from National Animal Care & Control Association (NACA) on the animal shelter.
He also provided information on the executive session on June 19, 2018 and asked if the
City Commission took action on the settlement agreement from district court.
Commissioner Hodges requested an executive session for legal purposes for 5 minutes.
,18-0342 Moved by Commissioner Hodges, seconded by Commissioner Davis, to recess into executive
session for 5 minutes to discuss the executive session of June 19, 2018 with legal counsel based
upon the need for consultation with an attorney for the public body which would be deemed
privileged in the attorney-client relationship, pursuant to K.S.A. 45-7319(b)(2). The open meeting
will resume in this room at 4:30 p.m. Aye: (5). Nay: (0). Motion carried.
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The City Commission recessed into executive session at 4:25 p.m. and reconvened at 4:30
p.m. No action was taken.
Sue Voll, 2338 Edward, provided information pertaining to Vanessa Cowie's performance
as an employee of the animal shelter and equipment needed for the animal shelter.
Maggie Gillam, 860 S. Santa Fe, stated there was a significant number of individuals in
attendance at the meeting to support Vanessa Cowie and asked for those in attendance to
stand and raise their hands to show a count for the record. There were approximately 20
individuals at the meeting in support of Vanessa Cowie.
0 Nicole Krob, 231 S. Clark, stated the animal shelter needed to be moved out of the Parks &
Recreation Department and moved to another department.
Brenda Armijo, 1934 Starlight Drive, stated she was a huge supporter of the animal shelter
and had spoken with multiple vets in the community about Vanessa Cowie's
accomplishments. She continued by providing information on an employee being escorted
from the building during work hours and the respect that needed to be shown to the
employee. She also stated it was rime for the commission, the interim city manager and the
attorney to put their heads together for a win-win resolution to the situation.
Garnett Zamboni, Salina, provided information on the articles within the newspaper
regarding the personnel matter of Vanessa Cowie and the need for positive results. She
continued to provide information on the performance of Vanessa Cowie.
PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ITEMS SCHEDULED FOR A CERTAIN TIME
Greg Bengtson, City Attorney, stated after conversation with Natalie Fischer, Director of
Human Resources, staff felt there was a need for discussion with the City Commission
pertaining to the city manager candidate profile development and asked if the City
Commission felt it was appropriate to add to the agenda a discussion under other business.
18-0343 Moved by Commissioner Davis, seconded by Commissioner Hoppock, to add to the agenda under
other business the discussion of the city manager profile. Aye: (5). Nay: (0). Motion carried.
CONSENT AGENDA
(6.1) Approve the minutes of August 20, 2018.
(6.2) Resolution No. 18-7596 appointing members to the Accessibility Advisory Board,
Animal Control Advisory & Appeals Board, Arts and Humanities Commission,
Building Advisory Board, Business Improvement District Advisory Board, Business
Improvement District Design Review Board, Community Art and Design Advisory
Committee, Convention and Tourism Committee, Disciplinary Advisory Board,
Heritage Commission, Housing Authority, Human Relations Commission, Parks
and Recreation Advisory Committee, Planning Commission, Salina Community
Economic Development Organization, Solid Waste Management Committee and
Tree Advisory Board.
(6.3) Resolution No. 18-7595 authorizing the city manager to permit the Muscular
Dystrophy Association (MDA) to solicit within the City's rights-of-way utilizing
off-duty Salina firefighters.
Commissioner Hodges requested that Item 6.2 be removed from the consent agenda.
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a 18-0344 Moved by Commissioner Hay, seconded by Commissioner Hodges, to approve the consent agenda
less item 6.2. Aye: (5). Nay: (0). Motion carried.
(6.2) Resolution No. 18-7596 appointing members to the Accessibility Advisory Board,
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Animal Control Advisory & Appeals Board, Arts and Humanities Commission,
Building Advisory Board, Business Improvement District Advisory Board, Business
Improvement District Design Review Board, Community Art and Design Advisory
Committee, Convention and Tourism Committee, Disciplinary Advisory Board,
Heritage Commission, Housing Authority, Human Relations Commission, Parks
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and Recreation Advisory Committee, Planning Commission, Salina Community
8 Economic Development Organization, Solid Waste Management Committee and
Tree Advisory Board.
Commissioner Hodges wanted to take the opportunity to thank her mother,Gayle Rose, for
recognizing that even though there was not a nepotism policy in the rules and procedures
or in resolutions for appointing citizens boards, that appointing family members to citizen
boards when other candidates had submitted expressions of interest maybe doesn't
reinforce our values of transparency or inclusiveness or devaluing of diverse perspectives.
She continued to read the email her mother wrote to Interim City Manager Mike Schrage
withdrawing her name from the Animal Control Advisory Board.
18-0345 Moved by Commissioner Hodges seconded by Commissioner Hay, to adopt Resolution No. 18-
7596 appointing members to the Accessibility Advisory Board, Animal Control Advisory &
Appeals Board, Arts and Humanities Commission, Building Advisory Board, Business
Improvement District Advisory Board, Business Improvement District Design Review Board,
Community Art and Design Advisory Committee, Convention and Tourism Committee,
Disciplinary Advisory Board, Heritage Commission, Housing Authority, Human Relations
Commission, Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee, Planning Commission, Salina
Community Economic Development Organization, Solid Waste Management Committee and Tree
Advisory Board. Aye: (5). Nay: (0). Motion carried.
ADMINISTRATION
(7.1) Second reading Ordinance No. 18-10965 levying Salina Business Improvement
District Number 1 service fees for 2019.
Mayor Ryan noted that Ordinance No. 18-10965 was passed on first reading on August 20,
2018 and since that time no comments have been received.
18-0346 Moved by Commissioner Hodges, seconded by Commissioner Davis, to adopt Ordinance No. 18-
10965 levying Salina Business Improvement District Number 1 service fees for 2019 on second
reading. A roll call vote was taken. Aye: (5) Davis, Hay, Hodges, Hoppock, Ryan. Nay: (0).
Motion carried.
(7.2) Second reading Ordinance No. 18-10953 authorizing the execution of a Loan
Agreement between the City of Salina, Kansas and the State of Kansas for the
purpose of financing improvements to the City's water distribution systems.
Mayor Ryan noted that Ordinance No. 18-10953 was passed on first reading on August 20,
2018 and since that time no comments have been received.
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18-0347 Moved by Commissioner Davis, seconded by Commissioner Hoppock, to adopt Ordinance No. 18-
10953 authorizing the execution of a Loan Agreement between the City of Salina, Kansas and the
State of Kansas for the purpose of financing improvements to the City's water distribution systems
on second reading. A roll call vote was taken. Aye: (5) Davis, Hay, Hodges, Hoppock, Ryan. Nay:
(0). Motion carried.
(7.3) Resolution No. 18-7594 authorizing the Mayor to execute an agreement with Kansas
Creative Arts Industries Commission of the Kansas Department of Commerce for an
Arts Integration Program Grant Award.
Brad Anderson, Director of Arts & Humanities, explained the request and action options.
18-0348 Moved by Commissioner Hay, seconded by Commissioner Hodges, to adopt Resolution No. 18-
7594 authorizing the Mayor to execute an agreement with Kansas Creative Arts Industries
Commission of the Kansas Department of Commerce for an Arts Integration Program Grant
Award. Aye: (5). Nay: (0). Motion carried.
(7.4) Resolution No. 18-7597 appointing members to the Board of Zoning Appeals.
Michael Schrage, Interim City Manager, explained the appointments and action option.
Commissioner Hoppock recused himself due to a conflict of interest.
Commissioner Davis asked if staff could provide any scenarios where the actions of the
Board of Zoning Appeals would interact with the City Commission. Mr. Schrage stated a
decision of the Board of Zoning Appeals would go directly to district court and would not
have any involvement with the City Commission. Greg Bengtson, City Attorney, stated
there had been a rare case in the past of a zoning appeal that was initiated by the City
Commission versus the Board of Zoning Appeals.
Commissioner Davis asked if that type of situation would occur would the family member
of the Board of Zoning Appeals have to recuse themselves. Mr. Bengtson stated he would
advise the board member to recuse themselves.
Commissioner Hodges asked how the voting of the item would take place. Mr. Bengtson
stated it would be a standard majority of those present and participating in the meeting.
A conversation ensued between the Commission and Mr. Bengtson regarding the voting of
items of the Board of Zoning Appeals and potential conflicts of interest.
Jon Blanchard, 1117 State Street, provided his thoughts regarding the appointments and
potential conflicts of interest and the need for a policy for appointments of family members.
He continued by stating he appreciated the recusal of Commissioner Hoppock on the
matter.
18-0349 Moved by Commissioner Davis, seconded by Commissioner Hay, to postpone consideration of
Resolution No. 18-7597 appointing members to the Board of Zoning Appeals for two (2) weeks.
Aye: (4). Nay: (0). Abstain: (1) Hoppock. Motion carried.
(7.5) First reading Ordinance No. 18-10969 amending Chapter 38, Article III of the Salina
Code by amending Sections 38-59 and 38-62 pertaining to contracts for vehicle
towing and storage services.
Wayne Pruitt, Communications Supervisor, explained the amendment, fiscal impact and
action options.
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Commissioner Davis asked if the sharing of equipment was part of the decision on getting
the contract. Mr. Pruitt stated if a towing service was unable to provide the service they
would need to notify the Police Department and the Police Department would contact the
towing company next on the list.
Mr. Schrage stated the language intention was to keep companies from being on the list
twice under two separate company names.
Commissioner Hoppock asked how many companies were currently on the list. Mr. Pruitt
ToTo stated five.
A conversation ensued between the City Commission and Mr. Pruitt regarding the request.
18-0350 Moved by Commissioner Davis, seconded by Commissioner Hodges, to pass Ordinance No. 18-
10969 amending Chapter 38, Article III of the Salina Code by amending Sections 38-59 and 38-62
pertaining to contracts for vehicle towing and storage services on first reading. Aye: (5). Nay: (0).
Motion carried
DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS
(8.1) First reading Ordinance No. 18-10966 amending Section 35-40.2 of the City Code
that would allow movable signs and outdoor furniture to be placed in public
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alleyways in addition to front sidewalks, plazas and arcades and that would allow
for staff review and approval of movable sign and outdoor furniture permit
applications in the C-4 (Central Business) District.
Dean Andrew, Director of Planning, explained the amendment, the Business Improvement
District No. 1 Design Review Board recommendation and action options.
Lauren Driscoll, Director of Community & Development Services, stated this item was a
direct result from staff working with merchants in downtown.
Commissioner Hodges stated she was in favor of the change allowing more flexibility for
processing the requests.
18-0351 Moved by Commissioner Hodges, seconded by Commissioner Hay, to pass Ordinance No. 18-
10966 amending Section 35-40.2 of the City Code that would allow movable signs and outdoor
furniture to be placed in public alleyways in addition to front sidewalks, plazas and arcades and
that would allow for staff review and approval of movable sign and outdoor furniture permit
applications in the C-4 (Central Business) District on first reading. Aye: (5). Nay: (0). Motion
carried.
(8.2) Application Z18-13, (filed by Salina Planning Commission), requesting a
comprehensive review and amendment of Article X Signs in order to adopt specific
regulations applicable to electronic changeable copy advertising signs (billboards)
and other electronic changeable copy signs.
(8.2a) Consideration of Ordinance No. 18-10967.
(8.2b) Consideration of Ordinance No. 18-10968.
Dean Andrew, Director of Planning, explained the request, the existing regulations,
regulations in other jurisdictions, staff recommendations and conclusions, prior Planning
Commission actions, the Planning Commission recommendation and action options.
Commissioner Hodges asked for clarification on the billboard permitted area map. Mr.
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Andrew stated the red shaded streets were private streets.
Mr. Andrew continued to provide information on the request.
Commissioner Hay asked if there were any public comments or complaints at the public
meetings regarding the item. Mr. Andrew stated it was hard for the public to complain
about something that did not exist. He continued to state staff's primary concern and the
reason for the moratorium was that staff anticipated that there could have been negative
public reaction if staff would have let the signs go up without any rules or regulations. He
also provided information on the situation that occurred in the City of Wichita regarding
electronic changeable copy billboard signs.
Michael Schrage, Interim City Manager, asked staff to provide information on the
notification requirement for text amendments versus a specific location request. Mr.
Andrew stated staff would mail out letters to property owners within 300 feet of the
request area where a notification would be published in the newspaper on text
amendments. He continued to state there was limited public comment on text amendment
items.
Commissioner Hay asked if there were other communities that had time limits on the
electronic changeable copy advertising signs (billboards). Mr. Andrew stated when a
specific text amendment was approved for a sign in the residential and public use district a
time limit was set at 10:00 p.m. He also provided information on the time limit of midnight
for their electronic changeable copy billboard signs in the City of Lincoln, Nebraska.
Mayor Ryan asked for information on the allowable of static signs versus the electronic
changeable copy billboard signs in comparable cities on the list within the staff report. Mr.
Andrew stated some of the cities on the list were probably in similar situations as Salina,
where the city had not been approached by anyone wanting to install an electronic
changeable copy billboard sign so the city had not addressed it yet.
Commissioner Hodges asked if staff knew what C-H district stood for in the City of
Hutchinson and the I-H zoning in the City of Dodge City. Mr. Andrew stated the C-H
district in Hutchison would be comparable to the C-5 district and I-H district would be
heavy industrial in Dodge City.
Greg Bengtson, City Attorney, asked for five minutes for staff to match notes.
The City Commission recessed at 6:08 p.m. for a 5 minute break. The meeting resumed at
6:13 p.m.
Mr. Bengtson stated as a result of the discussion, staff does believe that there were further
points that would fall within the category of presentation of the staff report. He continued
to state staff thought it was best to address staff's thoughts on the written communication
received from IdeaTek, allowing the IdeaTek representative to provide a response if
necessary to staff's response to the points in the written communication. He continued to
state there were two (2) points, wanting to make sure there was a clarification made to
point (1) on page (1), there was reference to what the company characterizes as "its vested
rights", the staff position is certainly that IdeaTek does not have any vested rights in the
matter, that is a legal concept that has legal consequences, and it is simply not the status of
the matter at this time. Secondly the characterization under point (2) from a staff
standpoint, the point is made in the letter that"we feel our applications were complete and
within the specifications as set forth in the current regulation and they should be acted on
within 10 days specified in the current regulation, and we would appreciate the
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Commission's inquiry on this". In order to address that point, we would call particular
attention to communication of May 4, 2018 to Mr. Glen Hills, on behalf of IdeaTek, without
reading the entire communication, he stated the communication was intended for two (2)
purposes, the first is to provide additional guidance regarding the information necessary to
complete your four (4) applications, and the second is to advise that the Salina City
a Commission will consider an ordinance establishing a 120 day moratorium. He continued
to state it was staff's position, and we believe correctly the City's position, that the
applications at that point and time were not complete. He continued to provide information
on the letter regarding the moratorium and what would happen if it was not approved.
8 Mr. Andrew stated it was not unusual for a sign permit application to be submitted in
pieces. He continued to state the four applications submitted by IdeaTek had additional
information needed before further processing. He also stated the permit review process
was put on hold once the moratorium was passed.
Mr. Bengtson stated by raising the point, he did not want to suggest the status of the
applications were relevant to the action before the commission today. He continued by
stating staff would not have brought up the point had the information not been included in
the written communication received from IdeaTek.
Commissioner Hodges asked if there had been any medical research done for people with
seizure disorders and their reaction to electronic billboards. Mr. Andrew stated there had
only been one study he was aware of by the Federal Highway Administration. He stated
the conclusion of the study was that electronic changeable copy signs were distracting due
to pulling drivers' attention away from the road but concluded there were more accidents
due to cell phone usage and drivers adjusting their radios than from the signs. He
continued to state staffs recommendation was to focus on the aesthetic and not the safety
impact of the signs.
Commissioner Davis asked if the area the study completed by the Wisconsin Department
of Transportation was rural or urban. Mr. Andrew stated both rural and urban.
David Norlin, 608 E. Republic, provided information on the request and his personal poll of
the community on the request.
Glen Hills, IdeaTek Media, provided information and clarification on the letter written by
Daniel Friesen, Managing Partner with IdeaTek Media, and provided information on the
specifications of the electronic changeable copy billboard signs. He continued to state the
applications he submitted were complete and IdeaTek Media would like to work in the city
of Salina.
Mayor Ryan stated he had sympathy with the applicant but the moratorium process was
giving us the ability to review the matter as a community and the matter was sent back to
the Planning Commission.
Mr. Schrage stated that was a correct assessment and stated at the point staff looked at the
status of the applications as well as the appropriateness of the moratorium, we took that
into account. He continued to state the status of the applications and the particular
locations of the applications was not the issue that was before the City Commission today.
He also stated any questions about the status of those applications; staff had worked with
IdeaTek and would continue to work with them. He further stated staff deliberately
reviewed the applications to determine if they were complete or not and concluded that
they weren't. He continued to provide information on the timeline of the matter and stated
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staff was prepared to walk the Commission through the steps of whichever process they
choose to go through.
Mayor Ryan stated he was not in favor of the electronic changeable copy billboard signs
when the moratorium was put into place. He also provided his thoughts regarding the
N Planning Commission's recommendation.
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Commissioner Davis stated his concerns on large advertising signs of any type in particular
0 in residential areas of the community. He continued to provide his thoughts on the
electronic changeable copy billboard signs.
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Mayor Ryan continued to provide his thoughts regarding the distractions of the electronic
changeable copy billboard signs on top of electronics and phones within the vehicles.
Commissioner Hay asked if the City Commission voted on the item would the sign at the
Tony's Pizza Event Center have to come down. Mr. Andrew stated IdeaTek's request was
for off-premise advertising signs and the Tony's Pizza Event Center sign was an on-
premise identification sign.
Commissioner Hoppock stated the city could look like Vegas and could be distracting and
would go along with the Planning Commission's recommendations.
Commissioner Hodges thanked the Planning Commission for their thorough review of the
item and provided her thoughts regarding electronic changeable copy billboard signs.
Mr. Norlin asked for any future city commissions to have the information put together by
staff available to them.
18-0352 Moved by Commissioner Hodges, seconded by Commissioner Hoppock, to authorize staff to
initiate a new text amendment that would prohibit electronic changeable copy advertising signs
from being allowed within the city. Aye: (5). Nay: (0). Motion carried.
18-0353 Moved by Commissioner Hodges, seconded by Commissioner Davis, to pass Ordinance No. 18-
10968 extending the moratorium on the installation of electronic changeable advertising signs to
Friday, November 2, 2018, to allow the zoning text amendment process to run its course on first
reading. Aye: (5). Nay: (0). Motion carried.
18-0354 Moved by Commissioner Davis, seconded by Commissioner Hodges, to declare a compelling
public interest exists for second reading approval of Ordinance No. 18-10968 on the same day as
the first reading. Aye: (5). Nay: (0). Motion carried.
18-0355 Moved by Commissioner Davis, seconded by Commissioner Hoppock, to adopt Ordinance No. 18-
10968 extending the moratorium on the installation of electronic changeable advertising signs to
Friday, November 2, 2018, to allow the zoning text amendment process to run its course on second
reading. A roll call vote was taken. Aye: (5) Davis, Hay, Hodges, Hoppock, Ryan. Nay: (0).
Motion carried.
" OTHER BUSINESS
(9.1) Discussion on the city manager profile.
1 Greg Bengtson, City Attorney, stated the process was ongoing for the city manager profile
development and he had recommended staff speak to the City Commission regarding the
profile development and the possible request for a conference call with Art Davis with
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Springsted I Waters for the remaining compensation information needed to complete the
brochure.
Natalie Fischer, Director of Human Resources, stated staff did not want to put too much
information in the brochure beyond the standard benefits.
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Commissioner Hoppock stated it would be helpful for the Commission to know what the
standard benefits were.
Commissioner Hodges stated it would also be helpful to know what additional benefits Mr.
Gage also received.
Ms. Fischer explained the standard benefits of an employee.
Commissioner Hoppock asked if the standard benefits were set by policy or were
negotiable. Ms. Fischer stated most standard benefits were already established.
Mayor Ryan stated he would think the package would need to be as complete as possible.
Ms. Fischer explained the benefits received by the last city manager under his employment
with the city.
Mr. Bengtson stated Ms. Fischer had a set of questions from Mr. Davis on the benefit and
compensation components of the brochure that he wished for responses on and staff
thought the Commission would like to have a conference call with Mr. Davis regarding the
benefits to include in the brochure. He continued by stating staff would like any
information they can provide to Mr. Davis to include in the draft brochure.
Commissioner Davis stated he thought the standard benefits should be listed with the
optional benefits listed as optional.
Ms. Fischer provided the dates Mr. Davis was available. The City Commission concluded
for a conference call on Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 4:00 p.m.
Commissioner Hodges asked if staff could provide written information on the standard
benefits and optional benefits to have before the commission at the conference call. Mr.
Bengtson stated the draft brochure would include the components of the benefits staff
would be directed by the City Commission to include in the draft brochure for review of
the commission during the conference call.
A conversation ensued between the City Commission, Ms. Fischer and Mr. Bengtson
regarding the benefit and compensation components of the brochure.
• Ms. Fischer looked to Mr. Bengtson regarding the need for an approved revised job
description. Mr. Bengtson stated staff could include the item on the agenda for the
Wednesday, September 5, 2018, meeting.
Commissioner Davis stated the motion he made to postpone agenda item 7.4 was open
ended and asked if he had direct questions regarding the item, who should he submit those
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questions to. Michael Schrage, Interim City Manager, stated to send the correspondence to
him and he would work with the city attorney if necessary.
Commissioner Hodges brought up the National Animal Care & Control Association
(NACA) survey and wanted to make sure the process for other stakeholders was improved
from the survey she took and asked for the level of involvement of the community
stakeholders that were included in the survey. Michael Schrage, Interim City Manager,
stated due to how the city commission email was setup, it caused problems for
commissioners beyond the first one to complete the survey. Mr. Schrage stated he would
follow-up on the survey.
Commissioner Davis asked if plastic cups were recycled in the building. Michael Schrage,
Interim City Manager, stated plastic cups were not currently being recycled but aluminum
cans and paper were. He continued to state the request for recycling services were arranged
by the building authority. Commissioner Hodges asked it Commissioner Davis would like
the matter on recycling to be brought up at the next building authority meeting.
Commissioner Davis stated yes. Commissioner Hodges stated it was duly noted.
ADJOURNMENT
18-0356 Moved by Commissioner Davis, seconded by Commissioner Hay, that the regular meeting of the
Board of City Commissioners be adjourned. Aye: (5). Nay:: (0). Motion carried. The meeting
adjourned at 7:20 p.m. C� � '`-
[SEAL] Karl F. Ryan, Mayor 44
ATTEST:
Allison Strait, Deputy City Clerk
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