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7.3 Rplt Rezone Highland Meadow CITY OF SALINA · ~ REQUEST FOR COMMISSION ACTION DATE TIME AGENSA SECTION: ORIGINATING DEPAR'~ ~u APPROVED FOR NO. 7 AGENDA: iTEM PLANNING & DEVELOPME~ NO. 3 and 3a BY: Roy Dudark BY Item Preliminary-PDD Application #PDD95-2, filed by Frank Norton, requesting preliminary development plan/plat approval and a change in zoning district classification from Saline County AG (Agricultural) to PDD (Planned Development district) for property located on the south side of Magnolia Road, east of the Smoky Hill River. The underlying zoning requested by the applicant is R (Single-Family Residential) and R-2 (Multi-Family Residential). Background On January 17, 1995, the Planning Commission conducted a public hearing on a request to amend the City's Comprehensive Plan to accommodate possible development along the newly constructed East Dry Creek Sewer Interceptor and Magnolia/Markley Road Water Line. The issues raised by expanding the city's growth area east of the current city limits were examined in two staff reports submitted to the Planning Commission for review and study. The first report, presented on December 6, 1994, focused on the current growth strategy, the availability of various public facilities and services (paved roads, water and sewer lines, police and fire protection, schools, parks, etc.), and the City's annexation policy. The second report, presented on January 17, 1995, dealt with the fringe development policies and experiences of other Kansas cities and the concerns of the Fire Department and Department of Engineering and Utilities. At the conclusion of the January 17, 1995, hearing the Planning Commission recommended approval of two changes to the Comprehensive Plan that directly relate to this application. First, the Growth and Development Strategy (p. 170) was amended as follows: Delete - Secondary service areas may receive urban development only when the primary service area has been substantially completed. Ord. No.: 95-9691, First Reading COMMISSION ACTION MOTION BY SECOND BY THAT: , CITY OF SALINA REQUEST FOR COMMISSION ACTION DATE TIME 4:00 P.M. ~' 51~!95 AGENDA SECTION: ORIGINATING DEPAR~'~¢- ' APPROVED FOR NO. AGENDA: ITEM PLANNING & DEVELOPMEN~ NO. Roy Dudark Paqe 2 BY: BY: Add - Secondary service areas should not ordinarily receive urban development until primary service areas have been substantially completed. However, development may be allowed in the secondary area provided~ 1) adequate public facilities and services are provided~ 2) the area is annexed into the city} 3) capital costs for city facilities are recovered on an equitable basis; 4) appropriate building restrictions are imposed to protect public health and safety~ and 5) no ~ = financial assistance is provided by the city for completion of public improvements such as streets or utilities. ;,~'...'~Secondly, the Salina Service Areas Map (Fig. 18, p. 172) was amended . ' to show an area south of Magnolia west of Markley Road extended changed from a Rural designation to Secondary Growth Area. The City Commission concurred with these plan changes and approved these two comprehensive plan amendments on February 13, 1995. Nature of Current Request The applicant has requested rezoning of vacant, AG (Agricultural) zoned land in the county to PDD with R (Single-Family Residential) District and R-2 (Multi-Family Residential) District as the = underlying district for the purpose of developing a subdivision with mixed residential uses. The zoning request area has 1,250' of frontage along Magnolia Road with the remainder of the frontage left ~ unplatted and covers the northwest 85 acres of a contiguous 260 acre tract stretching from the Smoky Hill River channel to Holmes Road south of Magnolia. The subject site is physically separated from any existing residential development by agricultural land and rural home sites. Approximately 43 building lots for single-family dwellings and 18 duplex/townhome lots are proposed in the first phase development. The subject property is located in unincorporated Saline County and a companion annexation request has also been submitted. The rezoning request should be considered first. Of the 85 plus acres, approximately 73 acres comprising 67 lots plus common area are proposed for R (Single-Family) zoning with a minimum lot size of 8,500 sq. ft. This single-family housing area is primarily in the northern and eastern portion of Phase I and also along the west side where the existing stable road and stable facility is located. A separate block (Block 5) comprising 12 acres - CITY OF SALINA REQUEST FOR COMMISSION ACTION DATE TIME 4:00 P,M. AGENDA SECTION: ORIGINATING DEPARTMENT: APPROVED FOR NO. AGENDA: ITEM PLANNING & DEVELOPMEN~ NO. Roy Dudark Page 3 BY: BY: is proposed for R-2 (Multi-family) zoning for townhomes. Access to Phase I from the north would be from a single private opening on Magnolia Road. No other access is proposed as part of Phase I. Suitability of Site for Development ~*" The' aPPlicant contends that his property is uniquely Suited` fOr ~' residential development, that his planned community will Offer lifestyle and economic attributes that are currently unavailable and ~*i:~.. that the current zoning serves to inhibit development of the site. The subject site is a piece of ground with a great deal of slope and elevation change that rises from west to east. The lowest points are about 1,230' ft. above sea level in the NW and SW corners of the tract along the Smoky Hill River. The land rises to 1,290' ft. in the eastern portion of Phase I which means that the natural surface water drainage pattern is east to west toward the river channel. The substantial change in elevation creates positive drainage but the slope will also create some fairly high runoff velocities if surface runoff is concentrated in ditches. The elevation change also means that the area can readily be served by gravity sewer lines ~as long as a collection point or pump station is located in the NW corner. The slopes on this property are not so severe as to make any portion unbuildable. Some of the more wooded slopes have been designated as Common Area and will be left as open space. It appears that the applicant has designed a street system and lot layout that conforms with and utilizes the existing topography, meaning that no massive grading or regrading is proposed. Unlike the proposed Valley View Estates Addition which was contiguous to the city limits and existing residential development but not to City utility systems (sanitary sewer), this proposed subdivision is adjacent to City utilities (sewer & water) but not to existing urban development. This site is approximately 3/4 of a mile from the existing city limits and is located within the city's Secondary Growth Area. Based on its desirable physical characteristics (the sloping terrain and view of the valley to the west), its proximity to Magnolia Road (a paved arterial street) and its proximity to the City's new sewer interceptor and Markley Tower - CITY OF SALINA REQUEST FOR COMMISSION ACTION DATE TIME 5/22/95 4:00 P.M. AGENDA SECTION: DRIGINATING DEPARTMENT: APPROVED FOR NO. AGENDA: PLANNING & DEVELOPMENT ITEM NO. Roy Dudark Page 4 BY: BY: water line, this site is suitable for residential zoning and development. However, its distance from existing public facilities such as fire stations and elementary schools and its distance from the existing city limits and urban service area may make urban scale development of this site premature. Staff would agree that the subject property is suitable for some form of residential development, the issue is largely one of timing. CharaCter of the Neighborhood T.he~ proposed residential community does not abut any existing residential subdivision. The surrounding property is located in unincorporated Saline County, is zoned Agricultural and is largely undeveloped except for some scattered rural home-sites. ~Therefore, it is difficult for staff to say that urban density construction of single-family homes and townhomes would be compatible with the zoning and uses of nearby property. While this may not be true "spot zoning", this rezoning request would create an isolated zoning district unrelated to adjacent AG districts. On the other hand, it is not clear that the proposed rezoning would adversely affect neighboring property or be detrimental to the living conditions, value or potential development of adjacent properties. The. relatively large lot sizes and substantial amounts of open space make the overall development density fairly low (1.2 units/acre) with the townhome units included. The proposed townhome area (Block 5) is internal to the subdivision and not on the periphery adjacent to Magnolia. The location and layout of the townhome area is a Judgement and market decision for the developer to make since lot buyers will know ahead of time which area has been set aside for townhome development. Since this is a PDD request, the City does have the discretion to establish development restrictions as to the size, design and architectural appearance of any two-family dwellings constructed in this area if that is a concern of the City Commission. Street Access and Design The only access to this property in Phase I of development would be a private street (St. Andrews) that would serve as a collector and connect with Magnolia about halfway between the river channel and Markley. There will be a divided entryway at the intersection and this ~ection of St. Andrews will be wider than a standard CITY OF SALINA REQUEST FOR COMMISSION ACTION DATE TIME 4:00 P,M. AGENDA SECTION: ORIGINATING DEPARTMENT: APPROVED FOR NO. AGENDA: ITEM PLANNING & DEVELOPMEWE NO. Roy Dudark Page 5 BY: BY: residential street. Internal residential streets would also be private with 24' asphalt paving and 2' shoulders leaving 16' on either side of the roadway for proposed sidebar ditches. All internal streets would be owned and maintained by a Homeowner's Association. St. Andrews would serve as a collector and two residential streets ('An~US~i;and Dundee) would provide access into the initial single-'' famil¥~and townhome neighborhoods. A series of cul-de-saCS: would provide access to individual building lots. The proposed right-of- way width for St. Andrews is 100 ft. with two (2) 20 ft. paved travel ways separated by a median. The proposed right-of-way for local residential streets is 60 ft. with 24 ft. of paving and the proposed cul-de-sacs would have 50 ft. of right-of-way with 120 ft. of rl.ghtrof-way for the cul-de-sac turnaround. Because all;proposed streets are private the "right-of-way" would actually be common area owned by the Homeowner's Association. The proposed right-of-way widths meet City street standards but the proposed street surfacing and roadside ditch design would not meet i City standards. Because this is a "private" development, the developer has broad discretion in his street design so long as streets are paved and are at least 20 ft. in width. There will be no direct access to the proposed recreation facilities along the river from Magnolia. Access will be from internal subdivision streets and a series of 40' wide pedestrian pathways or corridors located in the rear of lots along the eastern and southern edge of the platted area. These pathways are designated as common area. Because of the proposed pathways the developer is apparently Seeking a waiver of the sidewalk requirement for new subdivisions. The street cross-sections provided by the applicant do not show sufficient space for sidewalks within the proposed street right-of- way. Staff would like to see restricted access markings along Magnolia Rd. except for the St. Andrews opening. The applicant's plan for providing access to the unplatted tract east of St. Andrews is not clear.at this time. Lot Design All lots and blocks have been numbered on the drawing. All blocks are separated from each other by streets. CITY OF SALINA REQUEST FOR COMMISSION ACTION DATE TIME 4:00 P.M. 5133/95 AGENDA SECTION: ORIGINATING DEPARTMenT: APPROVED FOR NO, AGENDA: ITEM PLANNING & DEVELOPMEN~ NO. Roy Dudark Paoe 6 BY: BY: Ail lots shown would have adequate frontage on and access to a private street. It appears that the width, depth and area dimensions of all lots shown on the plat would far exceed the minimum standards of the R and R-2 districts. It does not appear that there would be any foreseeable difficulties, for reasons of topography or other conditions, in obtaining building permits to build on any of the proposed lots. The~aPPlicant has left 900 ft. of frontage along Magnolia from St, Andrews to Markley unplatted. It is not clear from the plat 0r his master.plan what his future plans are for this tractl. It is currently zoned and would remain zoned Saline County AG. Public Utilities and Services 1. Water and Fire Protection -.The new Markley Tower supply line runs along the south side of Magnolia adjacent to this tract. Given the size of this line (16") and the elevation of the Markley Tower (1467') there is adequate water volume and pressure to meet the domestic and fire flow needs of residential development adjacent to Magnolia. However, according to the Department of Engineering and Utilities' calculations, due to the length of line (3/8 to 1/2 mile from Magnolia) and the fact that there is only a single source of flow, the southern portion of the proposed 85 acre development area may not have the required 1,000 gpm for fire protection. This reduction in pressure is a result of friction loss based on line size (6" standard), length of run (1/2 mile) and the lack of a second source of flow (no looping). This problem can possibly be addressed by looping (installing a second feed into the development) or adjusting line sizes (6" to 8") or a combination of the two, but any proposed solution must be one the City's water utility is willing to accept maintenance of and responsibility for and must fit in with the master utility plan for the entire 260 acre tract. The applicant and his design engineer have met with the Department of Engineering and Utilities and are in the process of running computer simulations of water line flows throughout the proposed subdivision. Based on their review of these simulated runs, the Engineering Department has recommended that development be allowed to occur up to the applicant's proposed Phase I boundary. ' CITY OF SALINA REQUEST FOR COMMISSION ACTION DATE TIME 4:00 P.M. ~/~?/q~ AGENDA SECTION: ORIGINATING DEPARTMENT: APPROVED FOR NO. AGENDA: ITEM PLANNING & DEVELOPME~ NO. Roy Dudark Page 7 BY: BY: 2. Sanitary Sewer - The City's new sewer interceptor runs along the north side of Magnolia opposite this tract. The Engineering Department believes it is feasible for this development to tie into the interceptor line through a pump station and force main. If a pump station is constructed in the NW corner of the subdivision near Magnolia then~ the individual lateral lines could gravity flow from east to west '~ .into the pump station. The effluent would then be ~pumped under pressure into the 24" interceptor which is a if°rce main in that location. Ail sewer laterals would be public lines. The Engineering Department would like to see the pump station , located and designed to accommodate future development north of Magnolia both east and west of Markley. The City's Wastewater Utility would participate in financing any oversizing of the pump station and recover the costs as other areas develop and tie into the pump station. 3. Storm Drainage - The City's stormwater management regulations require the developers to design a stormwater drainage system to either accommodate or detain the additional runoff caused by development of the site (the difference between existing and developed conditions). Details of the applicant's stormwater drainage system will be addressed in the plat review process. A stormwater drainage plan and construction plans for any proposed surface ditches, storm sewers or detention ponds must be approved by the City Engineer prior to issuance of any building permits. 4. Fire Protection - Fire response from Station #4, located at Marymount and Crawford and Station #3, located on Belmont Blvd., is about 5 minutes to the entrance of the subdivision. Although the Fire Chief is somewhat concerned about having only one way in and out and that this area is on the outside fringes of their desired response time of § minutes, he does not feel that providing emergency response to the building lots in Phase I will be a serious problem. 5. Police Protection - Provided by the Salina Police Department once the property is annexed. CITY OF SALINA REQUEST FOR COMMISSION ACTION DATE TIME 4:00 P,M. AGENDA SECTION: ORIGINATING DEPARTME~T~- APPROVED FOR NO, AGENDA: ITEM PLANNING & DEVELOPME~' NO. Roy Dudark Paae ~ BY: BY: 5. Police Protection - Provided by the Salina Police Department once the property is annexed. 6. Traffic - Based on a trip generation rate of 8 vehicle trips per day per household, staff estimates that a total of 824 vehicle trips per day would be generated if the entire preliminary plat area were fully developed and 632 vehicle ~.rips per day if the area within the proposed Phase I boundary were fully developed, all entering or leaving the area throUgh one access point, the St. Andrews - Magnolia intersection. .~Staff believes the 61 building lots proposed in Phase I reaches or even exceeds the maximum threshold of building sites that can safely and efficiently be serve by one access point. Phase I of this proposed development is essentially one long cul-de-sac and any development beyond Phase I should require a second connection to Magnolia Rd. 7. Schools - Students in this proposed development would attend the following schools: Coronado School - Grades K-6; South Middle School - Grade 7-8; Salina South High School - Grades 9-12. U.S.D. #305 has not indicated to city staff that this development will create any crowding problems at the above mentioned schools. *Staff would note that this is an outlying area where USD #305 is required to provide bus service if requested. If bus pickup is requested or required then students will be bussed to Hawthorne-Grades K-6; Roosevelt- Lincoln - Grades 7-8 and Salina Central - Grades 9-12. Conformance with Comprehensive Plan 1. Land Use Map - The City's Land Use Plan shows this area as being appropriate for low-density residential development. Theco~bined residential density of the development (103 units on 85.3 acres) computes to 1.2 units per acre which is substantially less than the low density residential classification of 4.0 units per acre. 2. Land Use Plan - The following development policies in the plan document should be used to guide development within residential areas: R4 Future residential growth should embrace the traditional "neighborhood unit" concept, updated to reflect current needs and desires. Neighborhoods should be self-contained areas ' CITY OF SALINA REQUEST FOR COMMISSION ACTION DATE TIME 4:00 P,M. ~/22/q~ AGENDA SECTION: ORIGINATING DEPARTMENT: APPROVED FOR NO, AGENDA: PLANNING & DEVELOPMENE ITEM NO. Roy Dudark Page 9 BY: BY: designed primarily for residential use. Through-traffic should be rerouted around the neighborhood, with a limited number of collector streets penetrating it. Neighborhoods should have access to a small convenience shopping area, accessible by foot or bicycle. Each neighborhood should be adequately served by an elementary school. Safe pedestrian walkway systems should connect homes with schools and Other neighborhood facilities. Where possible, multi-family housing Ishould be located on the edge of residential neighborhoods and near other major traffic generators. R5 New housing areas should be serve by a safe and convenient circUlation system with streets and roadways relating to and connecting with existing streets in adjacent areas.~ However, residential traffic should be separated from non-residential .traffic wherever possible. New residential streets should generally follow the contour of the land and seek to highlight the natural features of the area. Access to residential properties should be limited to local streets wherever possible. R7 Any significant new residential development should include a small new park site to serve new residents. R8 Major new residential developments should be developed as planned unit developments (PUD) or as planned development districts (PDD). PUDs or PDDs give the City maximum control over residential area design and development, and also gives the potential developers flexibility and incentives for creative and high-quality projects. R10 New medium and high-density areas should be developed as overall, planned residential environments. Within larger development areas, a range of housing types should be encouraged, with each area sharing a common character and unified environment. R12 Landscaping or other buffering techniques should be used to screen residential areas from adjacent non-residential uses. R14 . No new residential development should be permitted until adequate water and sanitary sewer service are provided. Every effort should be made to discourage growth in locations where provision of these services are not available or planned as part of the City's future urban service growth areas. CITY OF SALINA REQUEST FOR COMMISSION ACTION DATE TIME 4:00 P.M. AGENDA SECTION: ORIGINATING DEPARTMENT: APPROVED FOR NO. AGENDA: ITEM PLANNING & DEVELOPMEN~ NO. Roy Dudark Page 10 BY: BY: Planning Commission Recommendation The City Planning Commission Conducted a public hearing on this application on April 18, 1995. Following presentation of the s~taff report, comments from the applicant and questions by the CommissiOn, t,he~.Cemmission voted 7-0 to table the application for 2 weeks ~to ~[ibwi~Uestions about water volUmes and fire flows to be resolved. The, public hearing was reconvened on May 2, 1995, and at the . conClUsion of that hearing the Planning Commission first voted 5-0 to recommend approval of an amendment to the Salina Services Area Map to expand the city's Secondary Service Area to the southern boundary of the applicant's proposed Phase I (an 1/8 of a mile extensiOn from the current service area boundary). The Commission then voted 5-0 to recommend approval of the applicant's rezoning request and the preliminary development plan/plat for this proposed development subject to the following conditions and corrections= Development of the Highland Meadows Hamlet PDD shall be subject to the following conditions and limitations= 1.~ Development limitations shall be as follows= a) Lots 1-18, Block 5, shall be limited to the uses permitted and the lot size and bulk regulations specified in the R-2 Multi-Family Residential District. Development shall be limited to 18 single-family attached dwellings containing not more than 2 units per building. b) Ail other lots shall be subject to the permitted uses, lot size and bulk regulations specified in the R Single- Family Residential District. 2. A final plat shall be submitted and approved prior to final approval of the preliminary planned development district. 3. The City Engineer shall approve plans and specifications for storm water collection, water and sanitarysewer systems prior to consideration of a final plat for the development. 4. The developer shall install or sufficient financial guarantees shall be in place to provide for the installation of all of CITY OF SALINA REQUEST FOR COMMISSION ACTION DATE TIME ~ 4:00 P.M. 512~/q5 AGENDA SECTION: ORIGINATING DEPARTmenT: APPROVED FOR ii NO. AGENDA: i~iTEM ~LANNING & DEVELOPMENT NO. Roy Dudark Page 11 BY: BY: ~ the following facilities and improvements: streets, ditches, water systems, sanitary sewer facilities and pedestrian-ways prior to consideration of a final plat for the development. 5. The City Engineer shall certify that adequate water supply exists to meet minimum fire-flow requirements for all proposed building lots or the owner shall comply with applicable exemption criteria prior to issuance of any building permit. 6. No development shall occur in Phase II of the ~ubdivision until a second entrance on Magnolia Road is opened and a second connection to the Magnolia/Markley Road water line is ' installed. 7. The applicant shall submit legal assurances to! ~the City consenting to the establishment of a special assessment district and obligating the abutting land within the proposed development for one-half of the total cost to reconstruct two lanes on Magnolia Road to city residential street standards. Said assurance shall be valid for a 10 year period and legally binding on existing and future owners of land within the development. This covenant shall be recorded with the final plat. 8. A note shall be added to the preliminary development plan as follows: "Maintenance of streets, the common area and other open space areas delineated on the development plan will be the responsibility of the Highland Meadows Hamlet Homeowner's Association. 9. The applicant shall submit a revised preliminary development plan containing all corrections noted by staff prior to consideration by the City Commission. Conditions #8 and #9 have been met by the applicant and the remainder will be addressed at the final plat stage. The Planning Commission offered the following reasons in support of their recommendation: 1) The proposed rezoning and preliminary plat are consistent with the character of the neighborhood, 2) the site is suitable for development of the area proposed, 3) the city had adequate public facilities and services to support the proposed zoning and CITY OF SALINA REQUEST FOR COMMISSION ACTION DATE TIME 4:00 P,M. AGENDA SECTION: ORIGINATING DEPARTMENT: APPROVED FOR NO. AGENDA: ITEM PLANNING & DEVELOPMEN~ NO. Roy Dudark Page 12 BY: BY: development and 4) the conformance of the proposed rezoning with our Comprehensive Plan with the extension of the Secondary Service boundary that we have already approved. City Commission Action If the City Commission concurs with the recommendation of the ~. .Plan~i~g Commission, the attached ordinance should be approved~on f~ti~eading. The protest deadline expired on May 16,11:995, and nothing was filed. Second reading would be held :in abeyancelUntil a final plat of the subject property is approved. If the City Commission disagrees with the recommendation, it may: 1) overturn the Planning Commission and deny the request provided four .(4), votes are in support of such action; or 2) return the application to the Planning Commission for reconsideration citing the basis for disapproval. Encl: Application Vicinity Map Preliminary Development Plan Excerpt of Planning Commission Minutes of 4/18/95, 5/2/95 Ordinance #95 - cc: Frank Norton He~aring Date ~,~_i~L__~, _19_9_5 ............................. Date Filed Febtuar7 24, 1995 Development Plans Attached ........ ~ ...................... Filing Fee ~;375 o00 Ownership Certificate Received .... '~,,.~ ............... ReceiotNo. H -'~qO,~.g pJ~ .'~')- L¢-qc~ APPLICATION FOR PRELIMINARY PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT (P.D.D.) 1 Applicant's Name 'F.~.a.I~_ C-~rles Norton, St'__ 2. Applicant's Address 2524 E. Haqnolia Road, Salina, KS 67401 3. Telephone (Business)___(__91__3_)___8_~7-36aR (Home) ((::)1 ~) R~-~)]65 4. Project Name Highland Meadows Hamlet 5. Owner's Name Frank Charles Norton, Sr. 6. Owner'S Address 2524 E~. Magnolia Rd Salina, KS 67401 7. Legal Description of Property to be rezoned (attach additional sheets if necessary) ~u~X_..N_W~4 lying East of .the River and ~4~,o~0&. Channel of the River in ~_ Section 32, Township 14 Range 2 West of the 6th PM, Saline Subdivision County, Kansas 8. Approximate Street Address 9. Area of Property (sq'. ft. and/oracres) ~ ~;I,~ /0/'~, 2.,~ ,~C~_ f"~'~ ~q 10. Present Zoning_ Saline 'County "AG Use Agricultural 11. Proposed Zoning_POD ( R and R-2) use Sinqle-Family homes and townhomes 12. Is the P.D.D. to be utilized in conjunction with another zone or independently? .......... I/l._~_QQ3un_c_~ion~_with R and R-2 13. Are there any covenants of record which affect the proposed development (attach copy)? NO 14. List reasons for this request (attach additional sheets if necessary) TO [).rov'i~ d~vglopable land with life style and economic.attributes which are not currently available. 15. Anticipated time Per!od for substadtial completion 5 yea r $ 16. Total ground area occupied by buildings (sq. fL:) 0 17. Describe any non-residential bses proposed Some future local business use. 18. Number of housing units proposed: Single family. 8 3 Multi-family 1 8 19. Relationship between this application and the Land Use Plan Secondary Service Area Frank Charles Norton, Sr. Frank Charles Norton, Sr. ,If the applicant is to be represented by tegal counsel or an authorized agent, please complete the following in order that correspondence and communi- cations pertaining to this application may be forwarded to the authorized individual. Name of Representative ..................................... Address ................................................... Zip Code Telephone (Business) ..................... Area Code White - Planning Canary - City Clerk Pink - Inspection Gold - Applicant APPLICATION ~PDD95-2 &'!:~A95-1 FRANK NORTON HIGHL~lqD 14EADOWS ~i4LET "~ 2 3 8 PHASE I BOITIqDARY \ // I ! o! ;' ' ~ .~/~s~, ...~'~ I,~ ~-'''"""', ""~ ; : .if'.' ~ ! I '\ ~ -\ i ! %,, -'-'"'" '""" :' ..... . "'"- . %;'; ~'" I ' ': ,.., ,,~ ,.,.--,., . ~./, '"""'.!j2:~\ ... \ / -~ ' l, / i ';' - ..... ~ "-'",I'~' "~ '- '" ' ,' !":.... i i ; --.. /' , ,' /' ,' ' ," /I I" i ..... ~-' _. : , ... /'.%' .~ I~->,H: i/,' \ . · " ,' , ":: ~..'d,-:?~ J! I , Meadows Hamlet ~.~.,~,~= .: Salins Planning Commission '~'~. April ~8, 1995 .-' Page 2 · .t' none we will hear from the applicant if they .":- to comment at this tame. . Dennis 2035 E. Xron, X believe the star is' clear are no problems with the ,.T the that they a~e requesting, · ~-. Hazd~an are there questions of the ::~ applicant? would m~m_hers of the public ,.:., care to comment on Nothing heaz~iwe will ~ bring It back to salon for discussion and ..' possible action. · MCY~XON: Hr. McCoach moved approve plat application IP95- - ?'~: 3/3A sub~ect ce=rain corrections as ?. recommended . ~"~: SECOND: 14=s. seconded the motion. VO~E: carried 7-0. .~. #3. PrelimLnaz~/-PDD, Application #PDDg5-2, filed b~ Frank :.. Norton, requesting prelJJainaz~ develolxnent plan/plat · approval and a change in zoning district classification from Saline County AG (Agricultu~al) to PDD (Planned Development District) for propez~cy located on the south side of Xagnolia Road, east of the Smok~H/ll River. ?he :'" underlying zoning requested by the applicant is R (Single- Family Residential) and R-2 (multi-Family Residential). · Mr. Andrew gave the staff report and stated this vicinity map that we have up now will give you orientation as to --? the location of this property. Basically it is at the southwest quadrant of the Markley-Magnolia intersection, · about 3/4 of a m~le from the existing city limits. In our -- repor~ we did a little background for you on some previous sessions we had with you on looking at our Comprehensive Plan as it relates to the Markley Tower~Magnolia Road · ' water line and also how it relates to the City's. new southeast sewer interceptor. We had discussion sessions with you on December 6th, 1994. and then again more specifically on January 17, 1995, and at that tame you recommended approval of a Plan A~endmant which basically would allow development in the SecOndary Service Area. However, development would be allowed only if adequate public facilities and services are provided, if the area is annexed into the city, if the capital cost of City facilities are recovered on an equitable basis, if appropriate building restrictions are imposed to protect public health and safety and if no financial assistance is provided by the City for completion of public improvements. Secondly, you recommended a change to the plan to designate this area as a Secondary Service Area as opposed to a Rural Area which it was on the original plan. :' The City Commission concurred with both these plan changes ~ and they went into effect in February of this year. So .'.' now this application has been filed An response to those changes. We have a zoning application essentially for R (Single-Family} and R-2 (Multi-Family) zoning for -~ townhomes. It came in the form of · planned development district because the applicant ks proposing private -' streets. South is at the top of the transparency before " you and what we have here is the entire parcel that Hr. Norton owns. The river is on the west or right and Magnolia and Markley Road are at the bottom. This is the .0 concept plan for that entire tract and then what we are dealing with today as part of this application is Phase I and essentially what he has applied for is annexation, rezoning and preliminary development plan approval for the " area that is inside the purple line. -. Hr. Hardman asked Dean could you please point out Magnolia .' Road? ~ .... Saline Planning Comtssion ~-?:: April 18, 1995 · .- Page 3 .? Mr. Andrew stated what the problem ia that if we didn"t .. · have that on there it would be less confusing. This is :~ Magnolia on the botto~ so we ara actually looking south : toward the top. The river is to the right and the bridge ... at Magnolia here, this is Markley Road coming Into the ., north so we are looking.to the south this is the entrance -.. into this Phase ! portion of the develop~ento Holmes Road . would be over here and Magnolia would continue on up the :!; hill. So today we are looking at the very west pOrtion of · ....~ the entire tract. ::~ Mr. Dudark stated this would be the master plan for the entire 300 acre plat. Mr. ~dldrew stated we re~dested that they present this to us both for your information and also for ours in terms of planning future street and utility extensions and connections to see how the whole project might fit to,ether which aright help us in our review of the street phasing and utility phasing for this first portion. ~; Mr. ~dark stated, there are also two other access points :.. that ultimtely would come out of this area. Mr. Andrew stated what is not included in Phase I is a · . second access out to Magnolia Road and that is some distance east of Markley and then a third entry way which -- would be off of Hol~es Road to the east and certainly this would probably be near the very last, long-term future phase of development. The actual application that you have before you is and application for R and R-2, for this area and the area outlined in purple has 1,250 ft. of frontage along Magnolia Road and covers 85 acres. This total tract ts in the neighborhood of 260 acres. The next drawing will magnify this area. Mr. Dudark stated again Magnolia is at the bottom and the river would be to the right. You are looking south and the river is to the right. -': Mr. Andrew stated what we have superimposed on hera is a · , quarter mile line and when you amended the Comprehensive Plan in January and it was approved by the City · . Com~ission, that was to move the secondary service or · growth area to this point. And the map reflected that. The applicant in our conversation since this was originally filed has proposed that he would like to develop this area inside the orange as his Phase I, where he would final plat and pet In improvements that would allow him to complete tho townhome area and also allow him to create a circulation system. In other words, not have a series of deadend streets., but have a street system that ' would loop back on itself. And then tho 85 acres is the full extent of what is sh~en~ on the ctrawing. So when we :' analyzed this, we analyzed it in te~ms of the full 85 -.~ acres which contains 67 slngle-faadly lots plus the 18 .v two-family lots. If you look Just at the Phase I area inside the orange boundaz~ then you are looking at 43 single-family lots but all 18 two-f~ally lots are still -~ included in that area. As we noted, the access for Phase I would be from the single private street opening there at " the bottom of the drawing. The applicant is not requesting any deviations from our standard R or R-2 zoning requirements so the underlying zoning would be straight R and R-2 with no specially tailored development · . requlations. As far as the suitability of the site for development, wa Just pointed out that there is a great deal of slope on this property that you are probably aware of. The low points are. near the river and along the ..' western boundary which Is about 1,230 ft. above sea level. · As you get to the very eastern portion of Phase I that rises to 1,290 ft. above sea level so that ia quite e bit .. of slope and relief as far as the Salins area compared to : other areas. We point out that this is good for drainage ! Salins Planning Commission · .]i.~ Page 4 ?' because there is no detention required, water can get to the river channel without any special need for detention. ~'~ At the same time it is also not so good for drainage ' because of the severe slopes involved. You can get so~e ... pretty high runoff velocity ~f using surface dit=hes with that kind of slope. We. do note that the slope is not so -:'~ severe as to make any portions unbuildable although they · have been very generous with designated common area and :~:. open space so there will be quite a bit of open space and timber area left undisturbed. This is a little bit "';~-- different from the development you saw two weeks ago, ~.,_ the Valley View Estates Addition, where they were ;'~]~. contiguous to the city limits and the existing development ..~. but they were not so well situated to existing utility -,..' systems. In this case this is a piece of property that is well situated as far as utility systems but it is not .7. adjacent to any existing residential development or to the ~.'f' city's urban services area. We point out that the .~ desirable characteristics are the sloping terrain, the ? vieWs to the west and the proximity to the sewer and water .~ lines. The drawbacks from our standpoint are the distance ;:. to public facilities such as the two fire stations that · (.f are closest and also public schools. It is in an area · -?'· .. that would require busing if the students so desire. As ' - far as the character of the neighborhood the surrounding .~. neighborhood, is primarily either agricultural or ~ scattered rural home sites. We noted that as far as his .- plan for townhomes It is going to be internal to the subdivision anybody that purchases lots in this area will : know that there ts going to be townhome development proposed so that the only affected property owners will be those that purchase property inside the subdivision. We did not highlight this in a different color but the island of 18 lots in Block 5 is the area that is proposed for townhomes. Under his Phase ! plan this would all be developed tn Phase I. He is proposing basically two (2) units per lot and they would be orientated facing the street with individual driveways. As far as public ~' utilities, the sanitary sewer, discussions with their · engineer and our City Engineering Department indicate that · ~ because of the slopes it will all blend quite nicely with ,. the gravity system that ends up probably down in this location and because that interceptor line is a force · .. main, they can't Just empty the affluent into the line, .. they are going to have to have a pump station and inject · it into that force main and in our discussions with the Engineering Department, there was some discussion about oversizing this pump station so that we would Just have a ..' large single pum~ station to serve this entire area and should the area to the north or the northeast on the other side of Markley Road develop they could also be served by · this pump station and the City's wastewater utility might ... participate in the initial cost and then recapture that money as other areas develop. Water, there is a 16" line :- that runs along the south side of Magnolia, it runs right ...= along the edge of this property. That water is pumped .'.- both up to the Markle~ Tower and also has the capability of flowing b~ gravity back down to Ohio and Magnolia to the Key Acres Tower. But we pointed out in our report -~ that due to the length of line, it has to extend anywhere from 3/8 to 1/2 mile of pipeline south of Magnolia, the -' fact that there is only a single source of flow and the fact that there is a certain amount of friction loss due to the length and the change in elevation, that at this point, our Engineering Department has not been able to · . determine at what point, as we move south from Magnolia, that we will be able to get 1,000 gallons a minute, which " ~s what our Uniform Fire Code requires for single-family residential and two-family residential, so that ts the .' main issue for us and the reason that when we were looking ... at the plat portion along with the land use that we recommended that this application be tabled to allow for .. additional study and to allow some simulations of fire : flows to be run so that we can determine at what point :' Sallna Planning Commission '-'~ April 18, 1995 -'.. . Page 5 / development could proceed south and still comply with that 1,000 gallon a minute requirement. So that is the reason we did not formulate a recommendation because we had no educated basis on which to form a reco~aendation as to how · . far south develo~ent could go and still meet that Uniform . Fire Code standard. That is our recommendation today, there are other issues relating to this as far as fire protection obviously the fmrther south you go the farther · ~. away you get fro~ the five minute response time. The fire department did not feel that there was any problem with '%t emergenc-~ response to the applicant's proposed Phase I .~.. area and then there is not a school district boundary ? issue but the school district pointed out to us that ~.:: should students find their own way to school or have their -~'-.. parents take them this property would be ~n the Coronado and Salins South school districts, however, if there was ~"' bus service provided by the district then students would ~..- be bussed to Hawthorne, Roosevelt Lincoln or Salins ~' Central and that is simply because this is far enough from :-. existing schools that if students request it, the district · must provide bus service. We talked about the access and ;i~ in the plat report we also disCussed one of the -:;! Engineering staff's concerns, the top elevation or cross- :. section here is what their proposal is for the entrance drive to Magnolia. They are proposing an island entrance :. with 20' ft. of hard surface paving on either side with a decorative island in the middle, kind of a boulevard approach for that particular entryway. As far as the internal streets, they are proposing 60 ft. of right-of- way which would be common area owned by the homeowner's association, a hardsurfaced private drive that would have 12' ft. paved travel lanes and then essentially V-bottom ditches on either side of those private drives. As we noted in the plat report which is on the yellow insert of your packet, that was another source of concern for the -: Engineering Department. These are private streets, they would be built and maintained by the developer and by future property owners. However, the Engineering '~ Department expressed some concern because of the type of .- slopes involved and the runoff velocities, having earth · '. bottom ditches that are V-shaped will increase the .., velocities and the risk of erosion and therefore create maintenance difficulties both for the ditches and the '.. adjoining roadways. So after we analyzed the land use · portion of this and were working on the plat those were the two primary concerns that the Engineering Department had was the V-bottom ditches and the concern about calculating where develolx~ent could occur and still achieve 1,000 gallons per minute of fire flow, so their recommendation to us at that time was that they would like to have some additional time to work with the applicant and the applicant's engineer to address those two issues. But if there are other issues in this report that you would like to ask Roy or ! about first, please do so or if : you want to address the water issue we have both Don Hoff -= and Shawn O~Leary present for those questions. Mr. Hardman asked on the water supply, when they develop the area to the east is that the time that we would use as · .~ the opportunity for a looped flow? -.' Mr. Andrew stated yes essentially you have a single source '- which runs by the front of the property and the only way to get two routes into that area is if at some point at the Markley/Magnolia intersection you were to run a line back to the east and then loop it back into the eastern portion of the subdivision, but I think ! might direct that to Mr. Hoff as to what the most desirable route would be. Mr. Hoff stated with the layout proposed of course you would have single source coming in here, any break in this particular line here and you would have no water in the whole area. It could be a simple solution of having Salins Planning Commission :.. April 18, 1995 .. Page 6 ?' another line temporarily brought into here. Proper " valving would feed from the Key Acres TOWer or we could . / feed from the Markley Tower. So if we would have a break in this line or this line and you will still get water .. Into the area. Our concern is how you develop this whole area, how you would size pipeline without knowing the - .' development plan, what they intend to do for the entire area, especially when you lay large enough lines back here to pump 1,000 gallons per minute, that ia no problem. But In the initial stages of development, it might take a ~:~ number of years to develop this, what is t~e quality of water at the end of that line? We can't guarantee that ~:. quality. We would be looking at so~e other looping at '" some later date. It would be awhile before we could lay .71 this line and the one on down the rOad. Mr. Dudark asked isn't there some concern1 about going up the slope and the pressure diminishing? /' Mr. Hoff stated yes, I think the critical area is .; obviously the further away we get from this line and going ~;. up the hill. Down in this area we will have enormous .~.! pressure from Markley Tower as, you try to get 1,000 ~... gallons per minute at the south end of this development and 1/2 mile away from the source, pressure is going to ... drop considerably. We can't Just run it through here with an 8" and get the fire flow pressure. That is why we need ~" to work with Pete Earles who had developed a computerized " program analysts of this entire area and say what can we put in there now so that we are not oversized as this other line comes Into play. Right now there might be some other options. Maybe we don't need 1,000 gallons out here . at the initial stage as long as we have some separation between the houses, 1,000 gallons would be assuming we have a house on each one of these lots. Mr. Dudark stated with a 100' ft. separation if you drop below 1,000 gallons for fire protection that puts kind of '~' a burden on that lot that is skipped over, You know you ". have a street in front of It and you have a sewer line and ." you can't build on it. Mr. Hoff stated once we have looked at the overall plan and the overall line sizing we can make a better recommendation. Mr. Dudark asked Don don't you think between Magnolia and the blue line there would be the possibility of having 1,000 gallons a minute with 8" lines. Mr. Hoff stated yes. But we would still of course want the additional source down here. Mr. Hardman asked if the applicant were willing to Install a looped line Initially rather than wait for the next phase to be developed would that solve the problem? Mr. Hoff stated ! think we want to get with the developer, if there is a large line, maybe it ought to he on one of ..~ these other streets I am not sure where that connection ought to be. But we haven't seen an analysis to show us -- where we want to go with that. Mr. Haworth stated I guess like you said you have got to work with the applicant's engineer. ~u could even do a tempora~f down here then once the development goes so far that direction you could work out some plan on the possibility of having that loop coming in at that particular point of the second or third phase when ever that may be. Mr. Hoff stated a big line is great when you are looking for fire flow but if you are looking for quality of the water into the house, that isn't good news to have a big Sallna Planning Commission ~;-i:. April 18, 1995 ' . Page 7 ~' line going Into a house. The water way has to be cleaned -. out and even with the cleaning out of hydrants it "~ difficult to get those done. We are not interested in having the developers put In large lines that would cause .. the need for that. :" Mr. Haworth stated the other comment since you are up here Don, was the open ditches ts that still a question? .., Mr. Hoff stated with the open ditches I think the concern ~i~ would be with the V-botto~ ditches and the flat bottom :.-' ditch would be the scouring and the erosion. These are eno~oua slopes and with two foot intervals Roy is that -'. correct? ... Mr. Dudark stated yes for those contours I think that Is ... right. ~:? Mr. Hoff stated that Is a pretty good slope for V-bottom ditches they have a pretty high runoff and higher velocity : in the channel and there might have to be some erosion .~; protection or ditch lining. I would like to talk to the :.: developer, he obviously likes this particular plan and ~.. that is alright I think, but I think that you are going to .~.. find out that curb and gutter is going to be cheaper than -... any ditches, there is no doubt there. You cannot bulld ~.. ditches and use slope protection as cheaply as curb and .:i gutter. Curb and gutter is normally $8.00 a linear and · you Just can't dig a ditch for $8.00 a foot you would have . sod it and put In wash checks and of course then the property owner Is going to be responsible for maintaining it. How do we maintain the shoulder area? There will be · wheel tracks out to the water hole and the erosion ts another thing. It will have to be maintained all the way up to the pavement, there is no defined ditch. Mr. Hardman asked for other questions of staff? Mr. Umphrey asked Don how does this 24' ft. paved width compare with standard city residential street width? Mr. Hoff stated our residential standard would be 33' ft. 'f' back to back, 28' Inside and we would allow parking on ",' that particular area. Mr. Dudark stated parking wouldn't be possible here but now what people typically do ts pull off of the edge and ' maybe put one wheel on the pavement and maybe the rest of .' it in the grass. It is not an ideal situation for on- street parking. These are fairly big lots, we think that ~ost of the parking is going to be in driveways of course % but maybe they do have guests and parties and things like ..- that and you are going to have social events and then you w111 have parking in the streets and that is what he is -:' talking about, people are going to pull off that edge and -:.= over time that is going to make a fault llne, and UPS and · ~. postal trucks, you know those kinds of things, through, time Just kind of put wear and tear on that shoulder. Mr. Haworth stated there Is less width allowed than on private streets. Mr. Dudark stated right and this meets the private street minimum which it 20' ft. · , Mr. Haworth stated that ls what ! thought, that It was 20' ft. and I thought that was the Initial question of 20' ft. allowed for private streets. Mr. Allen asked where would you put the curb and gutter if you were to put curb and gutter in. · Mr. Hoff stated you understand we have no problem with the · pavement width connection with this, It could be a couple Salina Planning commission :ti. April 18, 1995 ...~. Page 8 2. of feet less with the curb and gutter section. You would · . want all of the water to run down the street that is the .~'~ normal motion. Mr. Hurdman asked would the applicant care to comment at this point? ' ' Frank Norton, 2524 E. Magnolia, I ~m the applicant and It :-. seems like to me that I need to address two or three .., specific issues. Number one Is the ~atter of going beyond ~ the 1,320 or a quarter of a mlle. As I understood it, ..,- that limitation was set by the fire chief indicating that .':.. the quarter of a mile is the farthest distance that they Q could provide an adequate response for fire protection. -?-. A~d In going through this he has now said that they don*t .:~. think this a problem with tho area ~arke~ which is the south part of Phase I and that Is three eighths of a mile ,:?: to that point. Obviously we have a great deal of '" difficulty with this 1/2 mile cutoff even as part of Phase :~. I because we can't loop the street. It cuts off this area '.~ that we are planning single-family garden homes in and ;: divides the townhome area so Phase ! on the south as -~./ shown. Our preference, of course would be to plat the .. whole thing because we view that as part of our scheme and we would like to plan for that entire area. But there are : some questions that have been raised if you are more ... comfortable going to the area marked as Phase I that is .:~ acceptable with us at this time. It will require changing the Comprehensive Plan as the report shows to include this additional area beyond a quarter of a mlle. We raised that initially es one of the elements and we were told at that time that that was a matter that you would consider -, at this time so we don't feel like we failed to mention that at an appropriate time. Secondly, we would ask that you act on some of this today. We learned Friday that · -. there was a question as to the capacity as far the fire · . protection was concerned, we provided the information as to the calculations of the line capacity and other things · /' on Monday. We feel that if we could move along and get · some things moving on this that we could pick up these · - other things because they are design elements. Naturally, ., regarding the ditches we are not going to be stupid. We are not going to have eroded ditches and this sort of thing in this kind of development. We are going to put checks wherever necessary if that is the way we go, we are going to broaden the base so that the water flow is as it should be. These are private roads, they are private ditches, we are going to maintain them appropriately. This is not something that we are ~ust trying to carve out and as the report says we are following the terrain as far as the elevations are concerned. We are trying to make it as natural as possible. That is part of the scheme, and we are going to carry that through with the entire develolxaent and do it In a correct amnner. As far as the :' water la concerned Pete Earles is here, he Is our engineer and he provided the information on Monday. He assures me .'.' that you will be able to work it out with line size and other things. As to the matter of the quality of the water at the end of the line, and we had an earlier -: meeting where it was discussed that perhaps we will have to do some extra flushing to keep the water active so to -' speak and keep fresh water in the lines but that is part of what we may need to do until proper looping takes place. Naturally we are going to want to loop as much as we can as much as is practical, being it is us who will be ., living there and we will want good water and they don't have to tell us that we want good water, we understand that we want good water and we are going to do what is necessary to provide it and that is all there is to It. Other than the ditching and the water problem, I am not aware of anything else that needs to be addressed at this time. There was a reference to notes and corrections that is With the preliminary plat, we will meet whatever needs to be done in that direction. Are there any questions? <.. Salins Planning Commission .. Page 9 ·-~.. Mr. Hurdman asked is there a condition or something to keep the water active in the pipe, can you ex,and on that :~ for me? ... Mr. Norton stated the idea was that we have a large pipe ':. and it goes along way and that pipe stores slot of water ~ ~ and it could be that the water in the pipe could become .. stele, for lack of a better word, in order to alleviate ~; that problem, it may be necessary for us to flush it more ...t frequently than you ordinarily would, open the fire :~ h~-drants and let water escape to move the water in there. Mr. Hard,an asked so are you suggesting some sort of additional system beyond that? Mr. Norton stated no sir I am not aware of anything and I talked to Pete Earles and we have talked with the City and we are Just going to do whatever is necessary to make it work right. .; Mr. McCoach asked Frank is it basically your plan to put ::. a11 the roads in at one time initially, is that correct in · ~! the first phase? Mr. Norton stated yes we plan to put in this portion, it :. is divided with a median to this point. A~d then if we :.. have a really wide right-of-way our idea being that in :: years to come we may want to extend the median divided '.' strip on St. Andrews over here, but we intend to put in · . this area and these cul-de-sacs in here. Mr. McCoach stated your primary reason for asking for the -? extension is to loop that road. Mr. Norton stated right, even if we would go to say this .~. point and over here the first year and then do the rest of -.. it, slot depends on how soon we can get started because weather is always going to be a problem and we want to ~ contract as much as is practical initially. :.. Mr. Hurdman asked are there any. fUrther questions for the applicant? Hearing none would any members of the public 'f- caz'e to comment on the application? Nothing being heard -. we will bring it back to the Commission for further consideration. ~. Mr. Hurdman said I would have an additional question for the Rngineering staff, regarding the suggested additional ..' line flushing as a possible solution to the stagnant water at the end of the line, is this a feasible thing? Mr. Hoff stated my concern is that the line would be ~ overly large initially without the proper sizing we would always have that problem. ! don't mind if something could :' be worked out and we could install hydrant meters and .-.: flush it during the construction or whatever as this area · '.- is being developed. I am concerned that we would size a ' line, that sould be oversized for this area looped in to the east flushing that line would cause a continual .~ problem, we would always have to be out there. We obviously have to get the guaranteed ~aality of water to -' the home, that is part of our standards. That is a very · . expensive option plus not to mention the waste of water. That doesn't really meet with out Conservation Plan to go out and waste water, but ! think that working with Pete · . that we are surely going to be able to come up with a networking of pipes in the area. There ~ght have to be some. pipes laid further to the east of ~his development ln~tially rather than over size the pipes here. I could .. run a 12" pipe all the way back and of course get plenty of fire flow and ever~thing would be great but that would " be a continual problem from now on. Mr. Hurdman asked when they get farther along on their " Salins Planning Commission ::'i: April 18, 1995 ...... Page 10 · -}' design on the ditching, do you normally have input as to -- what the harms or baffles or whatever you are using to :~.~ slow the water flow down, do you review that particular ~ plan to make sure that they are adequate? ~.. Mr. Hoff stated it is limited more in this area because · :c these are private streets. It is different than the water .' and sewer lines which are public. We are going to have to :~ maintain those in the future. ~. Mr. O'Leary stated we have taken a little bit more -..' interest in the road surfacing standards as to what that '=' hard surface means It has been interpreted a number of :.~:. · 'i':' different ways In other areas some are successful and In -?.: other areas unsuccessfully, we have had some range in :; that. ;:;' Mr. Hardman stated there are some concerns that we need to ;~ address as a Commission regarding the water flow as well L-. as the ditches with the water flow being the primary : concern for further consideration of the application today :i:: and actually determining what is the buildable area on :~.; this proposal. I w111 certainly open it up for discussion ~.. in this area as to whether or not we can consider it -:i: further today or if we will require tabling until the we · ...... can have soma more definitive Information with water ~ supply. i. Mr. Haworth stated you are talking about a specific area - : here on #PDD95-2, item number three for right now. Mr. Hardman stated that is correct. Mr. Haworth asked that will be our discussion for right now. ". Mr. Hat,man stated that is correct not regarding annexation. Mr. Haworth asked my understanding is it is Just a · preliminary planned development application, in other · words the final plat, wouldn't that be the time that some of the things that Don has laid out with the water that would then be discussed? Mr. Dudark stated it is a planned development so the combined zoning and the preliminary plat all fit together so any action that you take on postponement of action on ...' the plat has to go to the City Commission as well, the zoning ordinance has a specific legal description in conjunction with the preliminary plat and the final plat · would follow after that. Our difficulty right now is .. recommending what to take to the City Commission if we are to assure the~ that each lot would be buildable, that ..:' there wouldn't be water flow problems, the farther you get · -.: into the development the more iffy that becomes and so · ? rather than guess at it, which is what we are doing right now, ! think what we heard is in a future hearing we would like the applicant's engineer to try to develop that data -, a little more precisely so that you could say whether the proposed Phase I requested by the applicant is really suitable~ is really possible you know with a water system design that will work, that it will be a long term viable answer. We can't tell you that today. · . Mr. Haworth stated I thought it was already said that it was possible, but you Just don't know what the design would be today? Mr. Dudark stated we don't know where to draw that line. Mr. Haworth asked what line? Mr. Dudark stated the Phase ! line, is it the blue line or Salins Planning Commission April 18, 1995 ?- the red line. We Just don't know. ~ Mr. Haworth stated then I misunderstood because what ! was ' ' hearing from the beginning was reaching the red line is .. very possible for some type of water system, you Just ., don*t know what that water system will be to~y. Mr. ~dark stated in order to get water-to the red line :~ you have got to tap a large diameter line to get 1,000 .. gallons a minute. To do that, l~u have got the water :.: quality issue, there is an answer but it has a downside to ... it so without having any looping system that comes hack, i.::' now maybe there Is a line that can co~ off of Magnolia ..:. farther east, and come beck in, that ~nId be useable ..-'~ later on, that you can develop off of later on, that would .~' be an 8" line to compliment the 8" line going in that would provide you with the system without having the water ~/~.: quality problem. ~Q Mr. Hard~an stated that seems to be the largest concern. Mr. Dudark stated right and that really needs to be determined. Mr. Umphrey asked could we maybe hear a co~aent from Mr. Earles in regard to that? :~ Mr. Hardman asked Mr.. Earles would you please comment on · .' the water system design work that you have done so far? · Pete Earles, Earles and Rlggs, Llndsborg, we have laid out basically the lines for Phase I looking at what could be done as far as line sizing. Basically we looked at % obviously coming in with simply a 6" line and that quickly showed that the pressure loss in that line was so great that you didn't have any pressure and then we looked at .. running a 10" line along St. Andrews and then coming off with an 8" line back along Dundee here. It was showed that we could get the necessary pressures, the worst scenario of course was the farthest away. Up here was the highest elevation and the farthest distance but that wasn't even the lowest, it was on up to the next intersection which is about 30 l~unds of pressure. The fire code has a 1,000 gallon a ~nute req~lirement at 20 pounds of pressure, with 1,000 gallons a ~nute for fire flow, you are talking about a requirement that would run an 8" line where you normally would run a 6" line so it is not an exuberantly large line that we are talking about. · But this line here is a larger line along St. Andrews which would be a 10" line that would be the line if you would look at the overall St. Andrews layout and it loops around and that is your second tie in POint. And that · would be a main line. Its far as being able to get pressure to this point, I think as Mr. Hoff stated, :- think it is not a problem and it certainly has been shown ...: that it can be worked out with steeply line sizing which as · far as the exact line sizing, I think that is what Mr. ~: Hoff was talking about that he and I get together and look at the entire development in looking at a looped system .: and that becomes part of the design process as we go from this phase before the final phase and if w~ get together -- with Mr. Hoff and work that out as the scenario of what line sizes are the best and work the best for this higher development now and in the future, but as far as the question of can it work or will it work, the pressure is .. there for fire flow. Was an increase in size great? No a 6" to an 8", so I think that is the scenario that we have gone 'to at this point. So we believe that as far as a preliminary plat you are on the right track and we feel that this could be approved as a preliminary and that would be a detail worked out on the final plat. Mr. Hardman stated so again in coming beck to the issue it certainly is not a question of whether ~u can get the Salins Planning Commission Page 12 water back to the end of the line, your primary concern from the staff side is what the quality of that water will be et the. end of the line. Is that correct? · Mr. Dudark stated what I am hearing is that we will have ":. to flush those lines and that will be a continual loss of ~'-~ water and continual maintenance responsibility. .,, Mr. Half stated when you are looking at is a balance as far as fire flows and domestic service. If we are going ':' to create a large line size that would take care of the ~;~ fire flow. We can do that. What quality of water we will have in that area we wontt know until there are other : ' lines hooked in. If it is the only line serving the area · .- it is pretty decent velocity even in a large size line but then you start tying in two or three other lines for the area developed to the east and the velocity in that line '-; now cuts down and the number of directions with problems continuing to develop here. There are sections of town -? where we have similar problems today, they were la!d out improperly, everybody thought they were doing a big favor .~': by laying big lines but it was not it is not the answer. .... Mr. O'Leary stated we look at this as the beginning of a very large water distribution system as well for the whole ': development, this is the beginning of a very large area .. that looks small on the screen. We think taking a couple -~ of weeks to review that and work out the details of what would be a very long term water distribution system is probably not asking too much. Mr. Hardman asked would your concerns be addressed if the · ~ applicant would be willing to install the looped system at the outset rather then waiting for the additional development. · : Mr. Half stated but some of those lines could be outside the picture here. " Mr. Hardman stated that is what I meant. : Mr. Half stated I am not sure if that commitment As there ~- and it might not even be necessary. Until we do the · analysis we don't know. Mr. Hardman stated if that commitment were made today would you be more comfortable with the improvement? Mr. Half stated I think that is the same as saying you have an open check book, yes we can make it work but At mAght result An laying lanes that might not be used for the next 20 years. Mr. McCoach stated several weeks ago we looked at these :- secondary areas and basically changed our policy, ! think ...: at that time X believe it was everyone's thought that .:.' those developments in those areas should be the same qualAty as those that are basically contiguous with the cAty 1Amirs and I think when ! hear phrases like flushing .~ the lines periodically ! don't thank that is An the spirit of what I was thinking. I don't think Mr. Norton really -' wants that either, but it appears that there are some loose ends there and I know he wants the quality of the project and this As a project probably that one day the city will grow to and around and you would like for it · · Just to blend in and be part of the com~unity and I would certainly hate to see the exception made which I know that they are not really talking about but I don't think it is due here as far as to what to sacrifice with as far as water quality. .. Mr. Dudark stated we are not trying to be dAfflcult here, what we are trying to do is to look for the optimal .- answer. I think there is one. But I think that we need Salina Planning Commission April 18, 1995 Page 13 ? to work at It a little bit more before we have lt. ?~ Mr. Umphrey stated Mr. Chairman what ! think I a~ hearing ~' here is that you all have the same goal in mind and what we are trying to address at this particular time is how '/' far can we go with .this development and Still be ~'~* comfortable with it, don't you agree on that thought? Do . . you have a coement that would heXp us with how much of :~/ this we can do today and you still not feel that your · ..> responsibility would be Jeopardized? ]~ Mr. Hoff stated obviously it would be a lot easier to deal 3]..' with in a quarter of a mile than a X/2 mile, of course · ." that is 'also probably the biggest water use will be for .~.-. the multi-family on the hills as cogitated with single- "'~' family, we don't have the data today. · ,.? Mr. Duckers stated, ! have another question that doesn't ""' relate to water. When we amended the Comprehensive Plan ./ did we take in everything we see on that screen or Just " to the blue line? Mr. Dudark stated Just the blue line. Mrs. Duckers asked so if we approve this we have to amend the Comprehensive Plan to include all the rest of it? Mr. Dudark stated yes whatever rest you want to add. .'.~ Mrs. Duckers also on the annexation there are two different figures, one place it says 85 acres another place it says the Phase I boundary. '? Mr. Haworth stated first of all you are annexing an entire -'i.. Mr. Dudark stated he still has to final plat so ! don't .. think so necessarily. i.- Mr. Haworth stated we do keep the final plat by phase " Mr. Dudark stated the zoning won't take effect unless you -.. final plat it so you wouldn't have any zoning beyond the . final plat that you had. We wouldn't want a final plat in areas that you couldn't build on you know, it has to be bulldable lots to be included in a final plat. So that is another piece of the puzzle, we have got to work that In with the water. = Mr. Haw°rth stated typically the final plat is by phases, · .: but not necessarily the whole area. " Mr. Hardman stated ! am always reluctant to t~ble an :- application where there is a reasonable alternative to . = working out details that can be worked out between the .-. applicant and oity staff but I am having difficulty with : this particular application today because as Mr. McCoach stated earlier we have changed our develolxaent policy to .: allow this type of development in the country and I want to assure that it is done as it would be done if it were .- contiguous to the city. I have got some and I am sure the staff has some concerns that the water will affect what this thing looks like. ! too would be reluctant to approve it today without knowing more about the water .. supply issue and it appears to me that tabling it for two weeks to May 2 might be the feasible thing to do. Mr. Umphrey asked would there be any advantage to looking at the approval of extending this service area map up to ~nclude the 85 acres and to consider annexation but not consider the plat layout at this date or do we need to do " it all at once? Sallna Planning Commission · ,.~ Mr. Dudark you can do that but unless it is actually zoned and platted you don't have anything that is bulldable so .~'~ if you can't have the water and sewage with it you Just ; get taxed as city property without any benefit from it so it may be Just as easy to leave this agricultural land In the county. That is the only thing that I see. ~. Mrs. Duckers stated something of this magnitude ! don't like to feel like I ~ua being railroaded into doing ... something that ! am not comfortable with. '~.. Mr. Blev~ns stated I think any platting application Mr. "' Chaizman is a commitment process and not withstanding the '!;' high caliber of the project and the investment and time of .~:.' the developer, there Is a commitment that the C~ty is .~. making of a long term nature and ! think that it is not too much to ask to make sure that we take every ~' opportunity to make sure that we are comfortable with that "' commitment and I think that would bode well for the future '~ once that Is done. So I would concur that two weeks Is not unreasonable. Mr. Umphrey asked well are we comfortable with the extension of the blue line up to the red line? Provided that the problems stated are reconciled within the next two weeks? Mr. Hardman stated I think that we are getting ahead of ourselves, we don't even consider that at this point, because what you are talking about is amendment of the Comprehensive Plan. Mr. Umphrey stated yes but I don't understand how they can work on the water solution not knowing how many acres they are considering. You are asking them to come back with an answer to a problem and they don't have a defined area to consider. That is not fair, In m~ opinion. · ~ Mr. Hardman stated the assumption would be that we would ". amend the Comprehensive Plan to conform with the area in · ' question. Mr. Umphrey stated ! think that is all we need to say at this time. But we do need to tell them you know are we going to work on the blue line or the red line? Mrs. Duckers stated you amend the Comprehensive Plan and then you approve the rezoning, those are the steps. Mr. Hardman stated if we approve the Preliminary Plat layout then the Comprehensive Plan amendment and the zoning and the annexation will fall right in line. Mr. Umphrey stated yes I understand. ..~ Mr. Hardman stated but if the ~lret one isn't ever .'- rec~Lfied, there is no need to annex that Into the city. Mr. Umphrey stated but you can't solve the water problem -.. l~ you don't know how big an area you are going to serve. -- Mr. Hardman stated right we certainly understand that. Mr. Haworth asked haven't we considered water issues with other preliminary plats? Mr. Dudark stated yes water and sewer are always a major concern in plats. Mr. McCoach stated I think fairly recently we recommended tabling the one on Seitz because of the surface drainage. Mr. Hardman stated yes it was. Salins Planning Commission . Page 15 Mr. McCoach stated I to do not like tabling applications because it puts things off and puts the developer behind but ! think there are some serious enough questions here to support tabling. '" MOTION= Mr. McCoach moved to table Application #PDD95-2 until the .:'~ May 2, meeting to allow for further study of both the '.~ water quality and pressure and basic design of the system. SECOND= Mrs. Duckers seconded the motion. ..- VOTE= Motion carried 7-0. MOTION= Mr. NcCoach stated as a result of the previous motion I .~-'~ would move to table Application #A95-2 to the May 2nd .' meeting. '" SECOND= Mrs. Duckers seconded the motion. VOTE= Motion carried 7-0. ]i 95. #PDD95-4, filed by Kwik Shop, Inc. of an amendment of the architectural re as part of the planned development t for the Georgetown Village Place PDD locate at the = corner of Fairdale Drive and lord (aka 657 Fairdale Rd.) Mr. gave the staff report and stat this ~s filed by Kwik Shop located at the of Crawford reet and Fairdale Road. North Is the top and what have is a planned development which is most of 3lock that was approved In 1978. was a C- 2 PDD there as you can see, a fairly plan with access , parking areas and building, landscaping also an architectural that was . presented which elevation That was then presented for first project which the Kwik Shop · ~ store. The showed shake-sh roof, a brick wooden type of that was to be the - architectural theme the ect. It was a ' fairly large scale at the obviously it never was completed as except the first building here which is the Kwik Recently at the north end of the tract a part was bought and five townhomes have been and are in the process of being completed. The ~ommission a~ended it to R- 2 zoning for that. These developers have I understand a contract to remaining property. You have another tract at and ~eorgetown that is property that I would stil! receive a C-2 or office-type use and between the Kwik Shop and that tract that as retail or office. The reason this is be you is about the first of · the year the owners the Kwik Corporation, they have Kwik Shops all the =ontracted with a .. company to their stores, put new facade treatments on canopy treatments, £gnage to more or less change theme and appearance their . operation. ThJ was one of those T.~ -ere are 6 or 7 in Salins all of them essentially~eceived this. -' The coz came into our office, ~the Building Inspection !ice and asked the Building Ins~ction people if they d permits to install this faca~ treatment work and canopy work and they discussed ~at, asked some que] ; and so forth and determined that ~ was not a build addition that it was not an a~terati~ of the buildi] and that it was merely facade exter~r-type archi elements and building permits we~ not What was not asked was could they change_the ext appearance of this particular building. Pe~aps t~ contractors did not know that it was subject to,he P~b standards. Our Building Inspector didn't pursue ... ~roJect beyond Just talking with the contractors. That -(,, ~%LINA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION ' C~Y COMMISSION ROOM MEMBER~PRESENT. Larson, Allen, Haworth, Umphrey and Blevins · MEMBERS ~ENTs Duckers, Hardman, McCoach and Weathers DEPARTMENT ~%FF: Dudark, Andrew and Barker· .- OTHERS ~ 0 ' Lea~ · The Hearing began~t 4:00 p.m. l// · #1. Applicatto~#P92-4C, filed by Harold and./~oyanne Larson, iJ~:' requesting f~al subdivision approval f~i a 2 lot addition .... to the Valle~N~,View Addition contal,~'~.~g 2.38 acres and -~.. located intheN 1/4 of Sec. 29, //i4S, R2W of the 6th a replat of I ~ 3, .~ P.M. and tnc~i~f~.' Block 2, of the Valley View--~ (South e~~ of Valley Vle~ Drive). Continued from ApriI~,1995./// %2 fi~d~7~ Harold and Royanne-Larson, · Applicat~on #A95-3, " of~ ~2 acre tract located in the NE requesting annexation ?' 1/4 of Sec. 29, T14S,~of the 6th P.M. in Saline -" County, Kansas (So-~'~ e]~ of Valley View Drive). Mr. harson excused himself frot~the table as he is the Mr. Hawort a.k.d there were of th. public - . who wish,~~ to comment on the above ap~lcation that would not be ~le to attend the May 16, 1995,~eeting If this ts .- tab~?~tothatdate. ///'Commissioners present to form a quos. SEC0*5~ Mr. Umphrey seconded the motion. ~ ' :,,,,~, V~fE: Motion carried 4-0. #3. Preliminary PDD Application #PDD95-2, filed by Frank Norton, requesting preliminary development plan/plat approval and a change in zoning district classification " from Saline County AG (Agricultural) to PDD (Planned Development District) for property located on the south side of Magnolia Road, east of the Smoky Hill River. The underlying zoning requested by the applicant Is R (Single- Family Residential) and R-2 (Multi-Family Residential). Continued from Aprtl 18, 1995. Mr. Andrew gave the staff report and stated this is a continuation of the hearing from 2 weeks ago. This is a '~ planned development district application so that means that the development plan drawing will be incorporated into the zoning approval process as well as the requested underlying zoning which is R (Single-Family) and R-2 (Multi-family). The development plan drawing would also · : serve as a preliminary plat of the development. We have a drawing here that represents the development plan that the application has submitted. There are a number of colored lines on there that we would use to refresh your memory. This blue line represents the quarter mile line south of Magnolia. You have previously amended the Comprehensive Plan to make the area up to that line a secondary service area for development. What is beyond that is still considered rural on the plan. And if you wish to approve a development plan and zoning classification beyond that you would need to proceed that with a motion to expand the secondary service area on the plan. The area outlined in yellow is the area that the applicant has proposed for a multi-family zoning which would be for two-unit town- homes. The area outlined tn orange ts the area that the Salins Planning Commission ~ ~ay 2, 1995 -;',, Page 2 .... applicant has proposed for Phase ! of the development and ~' this bluish green line represents areas that have been set aside as common area and would not be individually owned but would be owned by ~he homeowner's association. This being the ~oint that would provide access to a recreation :' area along the river. The primary reason for tabling two weeks ago was our inability to make a recommendation on '~ how much land area, how far south land development could .- go and have an adequate water supply for fire protection to meet the Uniform Fire Code. The applicant and his · engineer have met with the City Engineering Department and ! believe that they have resolved those Issues to the ' satisfaction of the EngineeringDepartment and I might let .'.. Mr. O'I~ary speak to the results of their meeting and then .. ! will highlight a few other issues before we get to our recommendation. Mr. O'Leary stated we have met twice with the applicant "' and his engineer, Earles & Rlggs out of Llndsborg, the ... most recent meeting being about 2 hours ago today to ' resolve the water volume question. TO Just kind of recap ....: where we were coming from a couple of weeks ago, we see ¥. this as a very large area, a very significant water "' distribution system. And we have a number of concerns and ..' whenever we get into that sort development those concerns .... don't Just lie In providing adequate fire protection. You are talking clot about 1,000 gallons per aLtnute and that ~' for fire protection, but In doing that and In providing :~. the lines at a certain pipeline size and the pumps and so on, there are a number of other issues that come into · effect and some of those would be the quality of water, · the velocity of water and a number of other things that must be considered when you design a system of this scope. We asked the applicant and his engineer to go back and · . develop at least a conceptual system of water pipelines, valves and so on for the entire subdivision not Just the : one shown on the screen. They have done that as of today at 1=00 p.m. They did present some very preliminary numbers of what can and cannot happen in terms of a design in the system. They will now go back and revise and fine : tune that design to show us some graphic representations · specifically for this Phase I of the project and we will . then report back to you prior to the final platting of any other conditions that might be required. We are comfortable with what they have done and appreciate what they have done in those two weeks and we would on behalf of the City Engineer's office concur with approval of the preliminary plat on that basis. I do want to add a couple of points though and they're things that maybe some of the '- members of this commission were not presented with on a previous subdivision that might be involved here. This was the Holiday Resort Addition, the one that Involves the nursing home at the corner of Holmes and Country Club Road. There are some different things that happened there : that may h&ppen here and I Just wanted to tell you a : little bit about that. We had a case. there where there was inadequate fire protection, we were getting say 600 or 700 gallons per minute and that system Just could not be improved without some significant water system ': improvements and the City of Salins of was not ready to do -' that at that time so that developer was showed some alternatives and those were basically two in terms of the residential part of the subdivision. Number one they could separate their homes by having an empty lot every other home and that would provide the separation between homes in case of a fire so that an adjacent home wouldn't -. catch fire automatically and it would provide adequate time for the fire department to respond. The alternative to that was a sprinkler system in a residential home which again Is somewhat unusual. It is an additional cost for the building and ! think that was the one that they chose in that case. That could happen here and we will reserve that until the final analysis is done. But if for some reason the fire flows could not be provided In all of Salins Planning Commission .;? Nay 2, 1995 '-.. Page 3 .... Phase I with the line sizing that we need that may be one alternative that the developer could offer that they would · do some sprinkling of the homes or that they would separate the homes by a larger dimension. Those are some things that we can work out with them and we would like to ~ present those to you as part of the final plat. With that ! would be happy to answer any questions. Mr. Blevins asked there was talk of it being an 8" inch line do you knOW what you are looking at~ ; Mr. O'Leary stated we really don't. What they have done ,~ at this point is they simulated a computer program to do ',~:' this because it Is fairly monotonous work calculating the .:- various velocities and pressures and so on in a system . this size. They simulated a lO" connection. They . simulated two connections on Magnolia Road and then ran :,. those into the subdivision with 6" size pipe. They will -', go back now and do a number of what ifs. What if the .,' whole system is 6"? What if it is all 8"? What if you ~ ' have a 12" here and an 8" here, that sort of thing and · "':'! through all that they will come back with a system that is ~' a combination of those things. Our position Is that we <' want them to look at the entire proposed subdivision and · .~ not Just Phase ! because we certainly think that we can .' size the lines accordingly for Phase X but that might ~. cause problems with the rest of the subdivision. We would ... like the system conceptually designed around the entire subdivision and then come back and go with Phase I as a "' second part of that. Mr. Blevins asked so you are convinced, at least from the information you have gotten so far that it is conceptually " doable so to speak? Mr. O'Leary stated yes we do believe it is. Mr. Allen asked and for the entire Phase I which I believe .. goes up to the red lines is that correct? ': Mr. O'Leary stated yes that Is correct and Just to clarify ~ what we think, there are a n~ber of th~ngs that could happen, but in order to get the system design, it Is really possible that we could have a series of smaller pipelines, 6", that would provide the velocity of flow and " circulation of the water and then be short on volume. They might not be able to get 1,000 gallons per minute in Phase I but with the completion of Phase II and III they would get that. So that Is where that other set of ' conditions might come to pass. Again it is a kind of conflicting set of conditions that we are trying to meet. It is not Just volume or velocity it Is a combination of those things and depending on what that engineer simulates and the outcome of all of those what if conditions, we may come back to you with recom~endations of some additional conditions and things. Mr. Blevins asked if you don't get 1,000 gallons at the · far south reach of Phase I does that prohibit the whole ": project or does that Just limit the construction of those " particular units at that far south end. In other words if the flow is not adequate at the end is that going to Just limit them or is that going to hold up the whole project? Mr. Dudark ~t would Just affect the lots where you were to have the deficiency s~tuation. Mr. Blevins asked so the condition should we approve it that you have listed in the report, if we adopted those it would allow for construction as far as you get that flow? Mr. O'Leary stated right, that is correct. Mr. Dudark stated on every one. Sallna Planning Commission May 2, 1995 Page 4 .... Mr. O'Leary stated and as I ment£oned In the other subdivision there were some other enhancements to the fire protection capability of that area that allowed them to '" fill all their units, They spent, ! a~ not sure what the estimate was, I think It was $1,000 to $2,000 per unit for · : an irrigation system for a single-family ho~e. And they chose that In order to get the density those homes needed. · Mr. Dudark stated there Is one other option and that would . . be to build with type five fire resistant construction in lieu of sprinkling so there are three alternatives. Skip a lot, add a sprinkling syste~ or do a type five : construction so you have essentially a fire resistive outer wall. ~nd I think ideally if it all works out every '~ lot within the Phase I line would be served 1,000 gallons · a minute and would be part.of and treated like the other ': lots in the area. .Beyond the Phase I line we really don't have much information on it right now. The developer is .... not proposing to develop that at this point so essentially - it would be subject to further review. ~ Mr. Andrew stated I would like to touch on a few items not ':'- related to water but Just a reminder that these areas you -" see set aside as right-of-way, these are actually private ." streets, it is not public right-of-way it is private . right-of-way so these areas would owned and maintained by the homeowner's association not by the City. There would :' be no City maintenance involved, the street surfacing ' would have to paved but not necessarily to our standard as ' far as paving thickness that you would have on a City street and also the roadside ditches proposed would not meet our City standard for a public road but again this is essentially a private development and that would give the developer some latitude in that area. Also this corridor right here and to the rear back here which is not affected : since it is not In Phase I, but those areas are pedestrian corridors and it is not spelled out in his application, but we are presuming that the applicant is asking for a waiver or exception from our sidewalk requirement for new subdivisions because of those pathways and because the : design of the streets with the ditches would not be very amenable to having sidewalks, there is really no place to put them, but we will let the applicant address that and we are only pointing that out. We did note that on any motion going beyond that quarter mile blue line there that you would need to precede that with a motion to amend the service area map to expand the Secondary Service Area at least to the Phase I boundary. We pointed out several alternatives there. I believe it is the applicant's - desire probably for Alternative N,,m~er Two which would be the area within the Phase I boundary. We are recommending nine conditions. Condition number one Just sets out the development limitations for the single-family and two- family areas. Condition number two is Just standard that :' this area must be final platted before the zoning would : take final affect. Condition number three deals with storm water, water and sanitary sewer, that the applicant's engineer would have to present preliminary plans and specs to the Engineering Department so that cost estimates could be developed for this area. Number four deals with the developer either installing or providing a financial guarantee such as a performance bond, something of that nature, to guarantee the installation of streets, ditches., water systems, sanitary sewer facilities so in fact these lots are buildable for those people purchasing them. Number five deals with the fire flow requirement and also says in lieu of 1,000 gallons a minute that the owner shall comply with the applicable exemption criteria those are the ones that Roy mentioned, the sprinkling, the fire resistive construction and the separations. We are recommending that no development occur in Phase II until a second entrance to Magnolia Road is opened and a second connection to the water line is installed. Item number seven is fairly standard when we are dealing with a Salina Planning Commission · .,~ May 2, 1995 -~ .. Page 5 .... development along an existing county road. If for any reason that entire area were annexed into the city within 10 years and there was some need to upgrade Magnolia in the eyes of the City Engineering Del~artment then that would be an agreement not to protest the creation of a : benefit district for that improvement. N~her eight, before this goes to the City Commission, Just add an .' informational note for those who see and review the plan, a reminder that the maintenance of streets and common areas and other open space will be the responsibility of · the homeowner's association. Primarily they will be putting people on notice of this. Number nine we have a list of a few technical corrections we would like to see '::. before this goes on to the City Com~__fssion. We did point out in the report we have this substantial area of .. frontage on Magnolia here, they are only preliminary ,.~ platting and would be final platting only to this point here, this area to the east is left unplatted and would " continue to be zoned agricultural and remain in Salina · County. Mr. Blevins asked Roy, what is the downside, if any, of rezoning the whole 85 acres? . ~ Mr. Dudark stated well number one is the question about water supply and pressure even further into the development. Number two is they only have one entrance "'.. and exit point to this and the top of that map is a full .'.. 1/2 mile from Magnolia Road and I think the other thing is -. emergency, fire protection in terms of reaching that far · '.. back into the area. I think on occasion we have had plats where at some point during the process the Planning -- Commission had wanted another way in and out for that area. Tasker Addition for example. At some point people · - who live near the entrance are going to be essentially ~ having a lot of traffic filtering by that location, so I don't know where to draw the line on this. .. Mr. Blevins stated I am wondering what advantage there is to taking the rezoning application in stages. The issues : you address, can't those be handled on a platting basis to get preliminary plat approval? .. Mr. Dudark stated this is a prelimina~f plat approval for .. today. Mr. Blevins stated I know that, it is not for the whole section of it, ! mean it is not for the whole area. Mr. Dudark stated I think that we are looklng at the Phase I line as what would be the preliminary plat approval and then the final plat would match that. Something beyond that, I am saying there are too many ifs on it and it is a substantial number of lots to be included, although they ':" are R-2 lots and a significant number of R-1 lots. Mr. Blevlns asked is what we see up there, no matter what '. side of which line, everything up there, is that the 85 acres? Mr. Dudark stated yes. Mr. Blevins asked so the only thing that is not included in Phase ! is the very southern portion and at no point are we considering rezoning this northern tract along Magnolia? Mr. Dudark stated no he has not requested that. ! don't know what his intentions are. Mr. Blevlns asked so that is not even in the rezoning request at all? Mr. Dudark stated no it is not. I presume it is for Salina Planning Commission May 2, 1995 .... future development with commercial or multi-family. Mr. Blevins stated ok so isn't the zoning designation simply a planning or a projection of the use of the property. I ~ean it is not a done deal, it Just seems · : that the other issues can be handled later. ~ Mr. Dudark stated here is how it would relate. If you · were to recommend that the entire 85 acres with all of the lots shown, with no intermediate point, be rezoned and annexed, to make that official it would have to be final platted so that there is a legal description that ia · recorded, an official map that ~eo~le would use to transfer title. The proper~y mast be platted before the .. rezoning can take affect. Mr. Blevins stated so there can't be a revision to that. The final plat will have to' come right along. Mr. Dudark stated that is right, you can*t wait. Mr. Blevins stated alright that answers my question. -'.' Mr. Dudark stated and that is what we were struggling · with. Mr. Haworth stated another thing I am referring to the sentence staff's recommendation is only for a quarter of a Mr. Dudark stated that is all we could write in the report · last week. We didn't have the results of the water .- simulation. Mr. Haworth stated so that changes your recommendation. You hadn't mentioned it. Mr. Dudark stated of the issues that is the most .. significant one. You still have the distance ·from Magnolia and all that but they aresecondarywhen compared .-: to the water and fire flow issues which we now feel ~ comfortable with. Mr. Haworth stated having the fire trucks go Just a little bit farther in. Mr. Dudark stated the fire chief believes that it is ok to the Phase ! line. Mr. Blevins asked is there any problem in changing the Secondary Service Area to that Jagged line. Do you need a legal description for that kind of thing? Mr. Dudark stated that wll! be accomplished when the :' zoning and the final plat comes through. They will define " that more. Your action is essentially to match that Phase ! location. Mr. Haworth asked are there any further questions of · .~ staff? Hearing none would the applicant care to comment? Prank Norton, 2524 E. Magnolia Rd., ! am going to make it brief because it seems like to me the issues are pretty clear with the recommendation of staff. I am not going to comment on the need to go to the Phase ! boundary because to make the water system work for Phase I we have to loop -- it. In order to loop it we have to go to where the roads meet, and that is what we want to do anyway. Let me answer Just a couple of things. The area in the northeast corner that is not being included, ! consider that to be maybe a neighborhood shopping area sometime or another. .. And Just to tell you how X feel about it, it is a safe area to get in and out of because of the terrain and so forth and ! think that would be something that might Salina Planning Commission May 2, 1995 · ..,, Page 7 .... develop sometime in the future and that is the reason why that is reserved. Everything else I think is pretty clear. ! do want to comment Just a little bit about the ::.- water situation and I am going to tell you how ! view it fro~ the technical aspect. First of all it lsn"t a matter .:' of there not being enough water there. There Is a huge supply of water in the city water line. The only question '~ is do you run an 8" line or a 6" line or a 10" line and .: what you are doing la, this is the entire a=ea that goes clear over to Holmes Rd, the engineer has a computer ",. program that analyzes this whole entire area and you pick a spot and that computer program with different line size · analysis will tell you exactly what the pressure Is,. what '..~' the consumption is going to be what It is going to be at .:. the fire hydrant and so forth. Therefore, we are talking -:. about ultimate final design when we talk about these .~ specifications and that is the reason why it takes some testing of the system or some use of the system with the .. cooperation of the city staff to make the analysis and to ..- come up with exactly what we want. There will be, based · on what we have talked about now, two connections to the ::' city line. One is going to be here at St. Andrews and ?- they will simply go to the lines at this point and the :'.' other will be here north of Glances. If something happens · ,' to one the other is a backup. In this ultimate design to . get the pressures we want, to get the quantities we want, yet not too much, we may have to go in with some other ~" connection earlier than we are anticipating but we are '~.. going to do, and I am going to emphasize this, we are ' going to do what is necessary to have the right kind of · .. system. And what you do today is never going to " Jeopardize that requirement because we have to do that .- before the final plat Is approved so there is no way possible that is Jeopardizing that requirement. Not only · . are we going to do it because it is the way the City wants it done, the staff wants it done, that is the way we want : it done. We want the right kind of development, if there Is ever an inference that we want anything short of that that inference is wrong, I am here to tell you .that because we are not going to do that any other way so we ; are going to be whatever it takes to have the right kind of distribution. I think that answers the questions that have been raised. I don't want to take anymore of your time than la necessary and if you have any questions of me I would be happy to answer them. Mr. Umphrey asked do you have any specific comment on these 9 conditions recommended by staff? Mr. Norton stated no. I think they all fit tn. On the matter of the sidewalk issue we have not requested a waiver at this point, we don't feel that sidewalks are necessary but we feel we want to make that decision when we get farther Into this because as each one of you knows, this Is very preliminary in terms of what we are able to do as a developer. After your actions are taken, and we get moving, then we can begin to focus on a lot of these issues and make a decision as to the development without sidewalks, with sidewalks and other things, but until we get past this stage there is not much we can do. Mr. Haworth asked is there anybody from the general public that would like to comment on this application? Hearing none ! will bring it back to the board for any further comments or possible action. MOTION= Mr. Umphrey moved to recommend to the City Commission that the Secondary Service Area be expanded to Include the area noted on the map by the red line which represents the southern boundary of Phase I. SECOND: Mr. Blevins seconded the motion. Mr. Haworth asked basically a question on the motion, on Salina Planning Commission May 2, 1995 -,, . Page 8 -.- what you have stated before for a plan amendment to move to the Phase I red line. Mr. Dudark stated the plan now shows the secondary growth area to the blue line, and this essentially is changing it to another eighth of a mile south. VOTE: Motion carried 5-0. MOTION: Mr. Blevins moved to recommend to the City Commission that Application #PDD95-2 be approved for rezontng from Agricultural to PDD R and R-2 based on the factors cited ~. in the staff and report specifically that the proposed ..: rezoning and preliminary plat are consistent with the - character of the neighborhood and the site is suitable for development of the area proposed and it meets with the '% adequacy of public facilities and services to support the .. proposed zoning and development and the conformance of the - proposed rezoning with our Comprehensive Plan with the . extension of the Secondary Service boundary that we have already approved. I would also further this motion by · ~. including the conditions #1-9 which are included in the ¥'. staff report and that the applicant has stated he does not ' oppose. SECOND: Mr. Allen seconded the motion. VOTE: Motion carried 5-0. #4. Application #A95-2, filed by Frank Norton, requesting annexation of an 85 acre tract of land lying east of the Smoky Hill River in the NW 1/4 of Sec. 32, T14S, R3W of the 6th P.M. in Saline County, Kansas (South and West of Markley Rd. - Magnolia Rd. intersection). Continued from April 18, 1995. Mr. Andrew gave the staff report and stated you will note on the application that we are talking about approximately 85 acres, that acreage has been amended probably by.your previous action. As far as the actual acreage of the annexation tract, that will have to be calculated by the applicants surveyor and a legal description that corresponds to that Phase I boundary will need to be provided. As far as the annexation issues, most of those were dealt with in our review of the proposed development issues. I would note that the building lots within this subject area would be subject to the Capitol Cost Recovery Charge to help pay for the new interceptor line. The other issue with this is that the boundary of the plat does not include any of Magnolia Road or the Magnolia Road right-of-way so Magnolia Road and its maintenance would remain in Saline County and the roadway would be maintained by Saline County. Our recommendation would be that you annex the area lying within the City's Secondary Service Area as amended, we recommend that this be considered only in conjunction with an approved preliminary plat and development plan which you have Just done. We would recommend further that a condition be added that the applicant provide an amended legal description for the annexation area before this goes to the City Commission. The issue on the legal description is we have a description for the full 85 acres but the rezoning and the platting would be on a smaller acreage than that and we need an amended legal description and acreage for the Phase I area. MOTION: Mr. Umphrey moved to approve Application #A95-2 subject to the conditions Just stated by staff including the amended legal description and also that it be in conjunction with an approved preliminary plat and plan. SECOND: Mr. Blevins seconded the motion. VOTE: Motion carried 5-0. (Published in The Salina Journal June , 1995) OPd)INANCE NUMBER 95-9691 AN ORDINANCE PROVIDING FOR THE AMENDMENT OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 8526, THE SAME BEING CHAPTER 42 OF THE SALINA CODE, AND THE ZONING DISTRICT MAP THEREIN AND THEREBY ADOPTED AND PROVIDING FOR THE REZONING OF CERTAIN PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY AND PRESCRIBING THE PROPER USES THEREOF. WHEREAS, all conditions precedent for the amendment of the Zoning District Map, the rezoning of certain property therein, hereinafter described has been timely complied with, SO NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED by the Governing Body of the City of Salina, Kansas: Section 1. AMENDMENT. DISTRICT "PDD". PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. That the Zoning District Map of the City of Salina, Kansas, duly adopted and published as a part of Ordinance Number 8526, the same being Chapter 42 of the Salina Code, be and it is hereby amended so that the following described property be rezoned as follows, to=wit: Lots One (1) through Nineteen (19), Block One (1) Lots One (1) through Three (3) and Twelve (12) through Seventeen (17), Block Two (2) Lots Twelve (12) through Twenty (20), Block Four (4) Lots One (1) through Eighteen (18), Block Five (5) Lots One (1) through Six (6), Block Six (6) all in Highland Meadows Hamlet Addition to the City of Salina, Saline County, Kansas A part of the Northwest Quarter (NW 1/4) of Section Thirty-Two (32), Township Fourteen South (T14S), Range Two West (R2W) of the Sixth Principal Meridian in Saline County, Kansas. shall become a part of District "PDD". PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. Section 2. CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. That the use of said described property shall be subject to all the conditions, restrictions and limitations as made and provided for in Ordinance Number 8526, the same being Chapter 42 of the Salina Code with reference to the PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. Development of the property shall be subject to the plans on file with the City Planning Commission and/or City Clerk and the following conditions, to-wit: 1. Development limitations shall be as follows: a) Lots One through Eighteen (1-18), Block Five (5), shall be limited to the uses permitted and the lot size and bulk regulations specified in the R-2 Multi-Family Residential District. Development shall be limited to Eighteen (18) single-family attached dwellings containing not more than Two (2) units per building. b) All other lots shall be subject to the permitted uses, lot size and bulk regulations specified in the R Single-Family Residential District. 2) A final plat shall be submitted and approved prior to final approval of the preliminary Planned Development District. 3) The City Engineer shall approve plans and specifications for storm water collection, water and sanitary sewer systems prior to consideration of a final plat for the development. 4) The developer shall install, or sufficient financial guarantees shall be in place to provide for the installation of, all of the following facilities and improvements: streets, ditches, water systems, sanitary sewer facilities and pedestrian-ways prior to consideration of a final plat for the development. 5) The City Engineer shall certify that adequate water supply exists to meet minimum fire-flow requirements for all proposed building lots or the owner shall comply with applicable exemption criteria prior to issuance of any building permit. 6) No development shall occur in Phase II of the subdivision until a second entrance on Magnolia Road is opened and a second connection to the Magnolia/Markley Road water line is installed. 7) The applicant shall submit legal assurances to the City consenting to the establishment of a special assessment district and obligating the abutting land within the proposed development for one-half (1/2) of the total cost to reconstruct Two (2) lanes on Magnolia Road to city residential street standards. Said assurance shall be valid for a Ten (10) year period and legally binding on existing and future owners of land within the development. This covenant shall be recorded with the final plat. 8) A note shall be added to the preliminary development plan as follows: "Maintenance of streets, the common area and other open space areas delineated on the development plan will be the responsibility of the Highland Meadows Hamlet Homeowner's Association. 9) The applicant shall submit a revised preliminary development plan containing all corrections noted by staff prior to consideration by the City Commission. Section 3. That the Salina Service Areas Map (Figure 18, P.172) be amended as follows: 1) An area south of Magnolia Road and west of Markley Road lying east of the Smoky Hill River from Rural to Secondary a distance of three-eighths (3/8) of a mile south of Magnolia to correspond with the boundaries of Highland Meadows Hamlet. Section 4. That the Land Use Map (Figure 11, P. 107) be amended to show the area identified in section Two (2) above, as Low Density Residential. Section 5. That this ordinance shall be in full force and effect from and after its adoption and publication once in the official city newspaper. Introduced: May 22, 1995 Passed: June 5, 1995 John Divine, Mayor (SEAL) ATTEST: Judy D. Long, City Clerk